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re: The 11.7 scholarship limit and paid coach limit could be done for baseball
Posted on 4/27/22 at 12:22 pm to Gravitiger
Posted on 4/27/22 at 12:22 pm to Gravitiger
No. They mostly existed because of title ix. Parity was another excuse but a bad one. But now the rule is basically obsolete for parity because of NIL. That was my point.
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Posted on 4/27/22 at 12:26 pm to ell_13
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(1) eliminating scholarship caps on sports that offer only partial scholarships
Someone correct me if I am wrong. But the partial scholarships given in baseball are because of only having 11.7 to give out. But isn't that up to the discretion of the coach? Yeah most a little bit to each player but he could give one guy a full ride if he wanted? Only having 11.7 has always been crazy but I think no limit would be equally crazy.
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(2) abolishing the limitation on the number of coaches per team
So could LSU have 30 baseball coaches on staff.
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(3) expanding direct payments from schools to athletes;
This is a slippery slope.
How will title 9 play into this? IMO if the do this then college sports will soon be dead.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 12:27 pm to ell_13
They weren't expanded previously to protect the smaller schools though. The headwinds to expanding the limits always came from the schools that weren't even fully funding the 11.7.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 12:28 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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Only having 11.7 has always been crazy but I think no limit would be equally crazy.
I can't imagine they would go to a true no limit situation. It would probably just be a full scholarship sport with a roster size limit and counter limit.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 12:29 pm to ell_13
Good to hear this.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 12:36 pm to ell_13
How do you do that and balance title IX?
Also does baseball only give partial? Aren’t some guys on full rides?
Also does baseball only give partial? Aren’t some guys on full rides?
Posted on 4/27/22 at 12:39 pm to SammyTiger
Some sports only allow full. Some allow partial. Baseball is partial because you don’t have even half enough to cover all athletes. Almost no one is on full unless you game the system like Vandy has done.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 12:44 pm to Meauxjeaux
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Tell me about this Vandy advantage that has them firmly outside the Top 25?
What a ridiculous comment. Look at Vandy baseball the past 10 or so years.
They are consistently a top 3-5 baseball program. They can provide scholarships that other public schools can’t.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 12:48 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
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In the big picture frame of mind of this. It could also mean an expansion of traditional club level sports like Men's Soccer, Lacrosse, and Rugby.
True.
After all, who's going to cheat at golf and tennis? (Except Auburn.)
Posted on 4/27/22 at 12:48 pm to ell_13
quote:No. It was to help smaller schools. Smaller schools are not driving this change. Bigger schools are. Title IX is mostly an excuse to not spend money they don't want to spend.
No. They mostly existed because of title ix. Parity was another excuse but a bad one. But now the rule is basically obsolete for parity because of NIL. That was my point.
This post was edited on 4/27/22 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 4/27/22 at 12:49 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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who's going to cheat at golf and tennis?
Any coach whose salary or employment is directly tied to their success (read: all of them).
Posted on 4/27/22 at 1:11 pm to ell_13
That seems like hownits done from a practical sense but idk if it still qualifies as a sport that only gives out partial scholarships.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 1:20 pm to Gravitiger
Large schools could have tried this before yet haven’t. They didn’t have the political capital for it because of small schools. But NIL has changed many of their thinking. Small schools who don’t have the booster and business support know they need another avenue to get players now. They’re no longer against this the way that they used to be. Some still are I’m sure but it’s not nearly like it used to be. But the change in scholarships and roster sizes (limits) was due to Title IX.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 1:21 pm to dmatt2021
quote:that doesn’t mean there aren’t good games though
If everyone doesn’t have to follow the same rules it’s pretty obvious that there is some type of advantage.Just not as bad as when private high schools play public high schools
Vandy might be top 3-5 and y’all might hate it but who cares if we’re still watching?
This post was edited on 4/27/22 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 4/27/22 at 1:21 pm to ell_13
Make. It. Happen.
Every time Kyle Peterson talks about how absurd these restrictions are I get irrationally angry.
Every time Kyle Peterson talks about how absurd these restrictions are I get irrationally angry.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 1:26 pm to Gravitiger
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The reason the scholarship limits exist in the first place is to protect the smaller schools. The vast majority of this committee are P5 administrators.
Aren’t the vast majority of college fans and tv viewers driven by P5 schools?
Posted on 4/27/22 at 1:33 pm to BGLAVI2
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I thought recently more top MLB prospects were playing CBB than past decades. Bregman, Deichmann would have gone straight pro in the 90's.
Bregman got injured in his senior year of high school. He probably still should have been a 1st round pick but wasn't picked until the 29th round and still wanted 1st round money. Deichmann wasn't even drafted out of high school. Recently, I think fewer HS kids taken in the first few rounds are going to college. The bonus money is too much compared with the cost of college tuition. My little brother was a 4th round pick (#86 overall) out of high school and signed for $25,000. He ended up spending most of that money on his own college tuition. The #83 and #87 picks (now a 3rd round picks) in last years's draft were HS players that both signed for $1.5 million. College players sandwiched between them with much less negotiating leverage signed for less than half of that.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 2:57 pm to LSU82BILL
Taking the caps OFF is a mistake, imo. It will destroy any shot at college baseball becomming more competitive nationally and more popular.
Let the conferences set new caps. The SEC should put a cap at 35 scholarships since we have 35 on the roster. And maybe 5 fulltime coaches.
Let the conferences set new caps. The SEC should put a cap at 35 scholarships since we have 35 on the roster. And maybe 5 fulltime coaches.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 4:28 pm to GeorgeWest
Make no mistake, NIL money does come into play, for some at least. Crews at LSU turned in his scholarship because his NIL money more than paid his tuition & related college costs.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 5:15 pm to ell_13
quote:They've been trying to get the rules changed for years. They will just break further away from the small schools now.
Large schools could have tried this before yet haven’t. They didn’t have the political capital for it because of small schools.
quote:They still don't have the extra scholarship money, either. If LBSU and LA Tech can't find boosters for NIL, they sure can't find them to endow 20 more full scholarships.
Small schools who don’t have the booster and business support know they need another avenue to get players now
quote:You're pulling this out of your behind.
They’re no longer against this the way that they used to be. Some still are I’m sure but it’s not nearly like it used to be
quote:No it wasn't.
But the change in scholarships and roster sizes (limits) was due to Title IX.
This post was edited on 4/27/22 at 5:22 pm
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