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re: Sports Illustrated Article About Fulton
Posted on 6/13/18 at 8:03 pm to BillyBobfan24_7
Posted on 6/13/18 at 8:03 pm to BillyBobfan24_7
quote:Please link these multiple instances of a Bama player breaking a clear as day written NCAA rule and being let off
That has happened plenty of times.
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Posted on 6/13/18 at 8:11 pm to 33inNC
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If this were the "darling" home school of the SEC, he would have already been cleared.
Better yet, he would have never been suspended if he was needed on the team.
AND....
There would be posters on the Rant defending the "darling" home school against any and all possible conspiracies that may favor them.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 8:13 pm to BillyBobfan24_7
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And most agree a punishment is necessary just not 2 years.
It probably is too severe, but you tend to lose credibility when it has been in place for 5 years and you don’t question the unfairness until you have a guy in the middle of it.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 8:22 pm to Abe1961
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How can he be charged with tampering when he turned his own urine sample?
He got caught with another persons piss & flushed it when he got caught. He didn’t turn his own urine in until after.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 8:25 pm to Lester Earl
Right. He never turned in a false sample. It never got that far.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 8:26 pm to Abe1961
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How can he be charged with tampering when he turned his own urine sample?
He was caught red-handed. Only then did he provide his own sample. Fulton doesn't deny he tampered. The issue is the harshness of the penalty.
quote:
Documents detail the event on Feb. 2, 2017 at LSU’s Broussard Hall. The test administer, Jason Shoemake, noticed Fulton pouring the contents of a small bottle into the beaker the player was expected to fill with his own sample. When approached, Fulton poured the contents of the beaker into a urinal and began to fill the beaker with his own urine sample.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 8:27 pm to VolTiger13
Say what you will about Dale Brown, but when he called the NCAA the Gestapo, he was right.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 8:31 pm to Big EZ Tiger
Rule is ludicrous but it was really clear as written.
I hope for the best though. The chain of custody might be a legit argument.
I hope for the best though. The chain of custody might be a legit argument.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 8:44 pm to TheCaterpillar
Was attempting this push through the media to get him cleared a good move though? Fulton honestly sounds like an idiot that no one should have sympathy on in this situation.
Seems like a strange hill to die on.
Seems like a strange hill to die on.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 8:48 pm to TheCaterpillar
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I hope for the best though. The chain of custody might be a legit argument.
It might be a good “gotcha” to make them change things in the future but how is it going to help in this case, since one of the primary points of our guilt trip is he passed the test he did submit anyway?
Posted on 6/13/18 at 8:53 pm to BayouBengal99
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He made a bad judgment call as a young man and shouldn't be punished so harshly for it. Especially knowing that he was actually doing the right thing all along.
Bad judgement call is breaking a rule. Being an idiot is trying to skirt the system and then saying "lol my bad here ya go" when you get are facing possible punishment.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 8:57 pm to VolTiger13
Ross will actually be talking about this on WWL Radio at 9:20pm. 105.3 FM or 870AM
Posted on 6/13/18 at 9:14 pm to ProjectP2294
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Was attempting this push through the media to get him cleared a good move though?
I would make a comment here about using the media to pull off a long shot.....but I won’t.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 10:01 pm to VolTiger13
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In just one of those tests, in April of this year, did he register a THC count (7 ng/ml).
That’s not going to help matters...kid still hasn’t learned his lesson about smoking as of 2 months ago? Regardless of whether or not he was under the limit, it looks bad when you’re trying to get reinstated.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 10:14 pm to MOT
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I would make a comment here about using the media to pull off a long shot
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:15 pm to VolTiger13
This is what Fulton is up against.
The rule states that tampering with a drug test is a 2 year suspension.
Fulton admits he tampered with the sample.
While this specific test wouldn't punish for testing positive for recreational drugs, he tested positive.
His apparent strategy is to try and get public sentiment on his side and, more importantly, against the NCAA. Unfortunately, his story doesn't really garner sympathy. In fact, the only real complaint people agree on is the severity of the punishment.
Honestly, this strategy seems like it was put together by a group of amateurs. And, the implementation of this strategy from a PR standpoint seems as if it's being done by people who don't know what they are doing.
I'd put his chances at about 1 in 50.
The rule states that tampering with a drug test is a 2 year suspension.
Fulton admits he tampered with the sample.
While this specific test wouldn't punish for testing positive for recreational drugs, he tested positive.
His apparent strategy is to try and get public sentiment on his side and, more importantly, against the NCAA. Unfortunately, his story doesn't really garner sympathy. In fact, the only real complaint people agree on is the severity of the punishment.
Honestly, this strategy seems like it was put together by a group of amateurs. And, the implementation of this strategy from a PR standpoint seems as if it's being done by people who don't know what they are doing.
I'd put his chances at about 1 in 50.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:19 pm to DCtiger1
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the punishment for tampering shouldn't be worse than an actual failed drug test. That's just absurd and defies logic.
huh?
The punishment should absolutely be worse. You want to disincentivise tampering. What would the downside be to tampering if you are going to test dirty if the punishment was the same?
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:24 pm to moneyg
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Honestly, this strategy seems like it was put together by a group of amateurs. And, the implementation of this strategy from a PR standpoint seems as if it's being done by people who don't know what they are doing.
That’s the frightening part. If you look around the board in the right places you’ll see that this wasn’t just a Fulton family idea. And then when you step back and really think about it, the absurdity of it starts to make sense.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:27 pm to moneyg
Does the rule state tampering or attempted tampering?
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:42 pm to MOT
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That’s the frightening part. If you look around the board in the right places you’ll see that this wasn’t just a Fulton family idea. And then when you step back and really think about it, the absurdity of it starts to make sense.
It's desperation.
And, I don't blame Mudbone at all for his reaction in this thread. Any good father would be doing the same thing. I'd be doing the same thing.
Having said that, Mudbone isn't exactly being rational about the situation. The poster who mentioned that the fact that this all started because Fulton was worried about a positive marijuana test...and that he has since tested "positive" (albeit below the new threshold) for marijuana is meaningful is exactly right.
I'm pulling for Fulton on multiple fronts. For LSU. For my Highschool. And, for Fulton himself.
But, the odds seem very stacked against him.
This post was edited on 6/13/18 at 11:44 pm
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