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tigercross
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re: Sports Illustrated Article About Fulton
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It’s well below the limit so why does that matter?


It matters because it hurts his case. The NCAA is going to say “this guy clearly isn’t contrite. If he were, he would have quit smoking altogether. We aren’t cutting any slack”. How fricking hard is it not to smoke when you know they are watching?

This isn’t my view point. I don’t think NCAA should test for weed at all. But this is how they are going to reason in their ruling.


DCtiger1
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re: Sports Illustrated Article About Fulton
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This isn’t my view point. I don’t think NCAA should test for weed at all. But this is how they are going to reason in their ruling.


The NCAA test wasn’t for weed....


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muddbone
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nola
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re: Sports Illustrated Article About Fulton
Man you should walk into the desert with no water. No mistakes allowed


BayouBengal99
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re: Sports Illustrated Article About Fulton
No it's not fair when an 18 year old kid or kids are being punished more severely than grown arse men for the sake of that organization to make money. I'll bet money that if the NCAA was hit with any type of monitory penelty for him being out for two years that this would be overturned in a heartbeat. That's fricked up. They should care more about these kids futures and how these things can affect their career or future. They would if it involved them in anyway shape or form and that's what makes this wrong.

And this isn't a law, it's a rule, and there's literally 400 plus of them. The schools actually have to hire someone to go over the entire rule book with them. He made a bad judgment call as a young man and shouldn't be punished so harshly for it. Especially knowing that he was actually doing the right thing all along.

No he shouldn't have been doing these things in the first place but that doesn't mean you hang the boy on his first offense. I think the NCAA should actually look at these things case by case or the league should. Unbiased people looking at these young guys breaking rules. First offense shouldn't be harshly judged, second and third should. That's how it should go unless it's so egregious that it can't be ignored.

Then the school could also punish them more harshly if they so choose. Something like this shouldn't deny this young man more than half his college career when men older than him are slapped on the wrist for the same breaking of the rules, simply bc of money. Sad that this country has built it's entire law and order around the mighty dollar!


Lester Earl
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re: Sports Illustrated Article About Fulton
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A year suspension is enough


Yea, probably. But why do people think they can retroactively change the punishment. You can’t just say “ok the year was enough it’s all good now”. That isn’t how life works sunny


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You only get suspended a game if you fail multiple tests with your own urine(ware, simon, etc vs Auburn)

Hell honey badger had failed 10 or so before he was hit with a year suspension


LSU code of conduct vs NCAA I would guess


Lester Earl
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re: Sports Illustrated Article About Fulton
I hope your son is more contrite than you are being


tigercross
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re: Sports Illustrated Article About Fulton
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Man you should walk into the desert with no water. No mistakes allowed


Can you show me where I claimed to be mistake-free? I’m just wondering if it is wise to continue smoking weed after you already got in trouble for attempting to falsify a test you thought was for weed. Especially when millions of dollars could be at stake.


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SoloTiger
Member since Aug 2016
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re: Sports Illustrated Article About Fulton
Wish the kid the best. Will probably take a tremendous amount of bad publicity to make NCAA blink though.


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LSUMONSTER
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re: Sports Illustrated Article About Fulton
NCAA sucked in this case.


lsupride87
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River Ridge
Member since Dec 2007
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re: Sports Illustrated Article About Fulton
How would y’all feel if a Bama player broke a rule that was clearly defined, and the NCAA decided to let the player off?


NoGeaux
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Washington DC
Member since Jan 2004
4605 posts

re: Sports Illustrated Article About Fulton
Bayou.

I hear ya. But the bottom line is if the penalty for cheating the test is not more severe than a failed test, everyone would cheat it.

There is no way to have any real enforcement or integrity in a PED/Drug testing system if the penalty for cheating is less or the same as a positive test.

We would never be able to convince kids, especially those in fear of popping a positive, of not trying to cheat the test if the penalty for cheating is the same or less.



muddbone
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??????


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VolTiger13
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re: Sports Illustrated Article About Fulton
If the case were the exact same as this, I'd be all for it. Just like I didn't blame Nick Saban one bit for not penalizing the kid that got the DWI for sleeping in his own car while drunk. Keys weren't in the ignition, and the kid immediately told the cop he knew he was too drunk to drive, so he was just trying to sleep it off, but since the keys were in the car and he was in the front seat instead of the back, the cop gave him a DWI.


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Chalkywhite84
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re: Sports Illustrated Article About Fulton
If he passed the test why was he trying to use the other pee.
Did he think it wasnt completely out his system?


BayouBengal99
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Member since Oct 2007
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re: Sports Illustrated Article About Fulton
I agree with that. But two years? It should be half of a year for failed tests and then maybe 3/4 or full year for tampering. Not every kid is trying to break rules either.

The kids also shouldn't be punished more harshly than an adult in the professional leagues. The NFL is half the season for the same offense. NCAA is 2 years? That's absurd.

Just because you lighten the rules doesn't mean you'll have more rule breakers. These are kids they should get warnings first, then make the second and third offense more harsh if they keep breaking the rules. I could be all for that. But people should be given second chances, especially kids. Now if they keep breaking the rules, that's on them.

I think most people would be fine with that. You can argue the first time you mess up but if you keep doing it then it's time to learn the lesson. It's not like this guy was some trouble maker either. Idk man I just don't understand some peoples harsh judgment for when a kid messes up for the first time or anyone for that matter.


Abe1961
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re: Sports Illustrated Article About Fulton
How can he be charged with tampering when he turned his own urine sample?


BillyBobfan24_7
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re: Sports Illustrated Article About Fulton
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How would y’all feel if a Bama player broke a rule that was clearly defined, and the NCAA decided to let the player off?


That has happened plenty of times. And most agree a punishment is necessary just not 2 years.


BillyBobfan24_7
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re: Sports Illustrated Article About Fulton
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If he passed the test why was he trying to use the other pee.
Did he think it wasnt completely out his system?


He knew he had smoked but probably had no idea how much would register. Obviously if he knew he was going to pass anyway he wouldn't have thought about cheating but outside of testing there is no way to tell.


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BillyBobfan24_7
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How can he be charged with tampering when he turned his own urine sample?


He was deemed guilty of attempting to tamper which in their eyes is the same as tampering.


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redbean5
LSU Fan
Member since Jan 2008
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This is why the NCAA is a joke. Hold up the sentence on a tampering but turn bling eyes to serious issues committed at institutions like UNC, Michigan State, Oklahoma, etc.. Nevertheless athletes get charged for possession of weed, carrying unregistered guns, and charged with domestic violence, yet they turn a blind eye and consider it out of the control of the NCAA. There is no morality within the organization called the NCAA.


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