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re: So what else does Shores have in his arsenal besides an extremely hittable 98mph FB?
Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:17 am to AlextheBodacious
Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:17 am to AlextheBodacious
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Movement is irrelevant with 98, hitting your spots is all you need to do
This is so wrong on so many levels. Shores in his career has 46 innings and 45 strikeouts. Shores 3/4 arm slot and little extension makes it easy to see from a hitter, coupled with little to no movement on the fastball it plays down in velocity. His slider has big league metrics but he can't command it nearly enough.
This "he'll be fine" narrative isn't always the case, and with Shores you're banking on something happening that he has never done.
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Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:25 am to nmh3303
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This is so wrong on so many levels. Shores in his career has 46 innings and 45 strikeouts. Shores 3/4 arm slot and little extension makes it easy to see from a hitter, coupled with little to no movement on the fastball it plays down in velocity. His slider has big league metrics but he can't command it nearly enough.
For the sake of lsu baseball, he just needs to locate his current fastball. Don’t need to go all Tom Emanski.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:29 am to AlextheBodacious
No pitcher can be successful in the SEC with less strikeouts than innings ESPECIALLY one that throws 98-99. He is intended to be a strikeout pitcher. Pitching to contact throwing 99 just leads to a lot hits which is exactly what's happening. Simplifying the problem saying "he'll be fine" and ignoring what the real issue is. His fastball has ALWAYS been hittable, even located correctly.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:33 am to The Egg
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So what else does Shores have in his arsenal besides an extremely hittable 98mph FB?
His fastball isn't effective because it's so "hittable." It's not effective because he's nowhere near the zone with his offspeed pitches. Hitters can just sit on fastball.
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he's just throwing straight heat with no run on his fastball
He has plenty of run on his fastball. Not sure what you're watching
His command has just not been good. Then he serves up middle middle fastballs to get something over. I don't care how good your fastball is. D1 hitters will crush you if that's all you can throw. Ty Floyd had the same issue until he developed command of other pitches
Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:33 am to The Egg
A 97 MPH fast ball
Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:35 am to The Egg
Couldn’t locate with FB or slider yesterday. Still several hits were weak grounders that got through. After all the time off for TJ it surprises me he hasn’t developed a change up which would really help offset that flat 98 FB.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:51 am to WigSplitta22
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He has never in his career dominated SEC hitters
He hasn’t really had a chance to either.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 12:28 pm to lsu711
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LSU needs Chase Shores in the rotation to have any chance at Omaha.
I think it’s best to pull for the guy to get settled back into dominating SEC hitters and not throw him in the trash after 5 starts.
His fastball is a lot more hittable when they know it’s coming. His slider is much more enticing when hitters have to protect. He needs to get ahead in more counts.
This guy is right on. We need to keep trotting him out there and invest the innings it’s going to take so that he is rounding into form by postseason. And if it costs us three or four games, big friggin deal. I can’t even remember where we finished in the SEC in 2023. Did we win it? Come in third? We won the National Championship; I sure as hell remember that.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 12:47 pm to Penrod
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We need to keep trotting him out there and invest the innings it’s going to take so that he is rounding into form by postseason.
This is so dumb. No you don’t. He won’t be here next year anyway. You need to win every game you can, not concede them bc you are patiently waiting for a pitcher to come around that won’t even be here next year. If he can’t find the strike zone then bring in somebody who can.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 2:57 pm to The Egg
His slider is getting a lot better. Not sure what the guys who said it was better his freshman year are talking about. His FB is flat which negates the 98mph velocity
Posted on 3/24/25 at 3:15 pm to Howyouluhdat
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He won’t be here next year anyway. You need to win every game you can, not concede them bc you are patiently waiting for a pitcher to come around that won’t even be here next year. If he can’t find the strike zone then bring in somebody who can.
I agree that next year has nothing to do with it. But June has everything to do with it. Look at Thatcher Hurd in 2023. The guy seemed a mess for a while, but they knew he had it in him, so they kept sending him out there. In his first SEC start he threw 71 pitches and could not get out the fourth inning. His next start was 76 pitches and he could not get a single out in the third. He never did get it together during the season, but they kept working on him because they knew it was there. He mowed them down in the postseason.
If CJJ thinks Shores can benefit from a break in starting he will do it, as he did for Hurd. But he knows what’s in there, and he will keep spending innings to get it, not for next year, but for the only part of this year that really matters - the NCAA Tournament.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 4:38 pm to The Egg
Shores should be coming out of the bullpen. His performance so far is less than admirable for the high expectations placed upon him.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 4:47 pm to The Egg
Chase is still inexperienced. He made a few appearances early in 2023 and hasn't pitched since. He's still trying to figure out what works for him and what doesn't. He'll be fine.
He's not crazy wild, he's just not getting ahead of the hitters enough.
He's not crazy wild, he's just not getting ahead of the hitters enough.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 4:51 pm to nmh3303
I was encouraged by his outing Sunday. He induced a ton of ground balls. They elevated two balls that got him in trouble, one after a bad 2 out walk
He definitely has to miss more bats but the contact that he allowed was not terrible.
Texas also fouled off 17 pitches in his 4 innings. They drove his pitch count up but I don’t think he was excessively wild.
He definitely has to miss more bats but the contact that he allowed was not terrible.
Texas also fouled off 17 pitches in his 4 innings. They drove his pitch count up but I don’t think he was excessively wild.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 4:57 pm to MasterAbe1
Unacceptable that he has regressed lmao
Posted on 3/24/25 at 4:57 pm to Lutcher Lad
I’d say every weekend so far has shown that Shores doesn’t need to be a weekend starter right now. He hasn’t looked the least bit impressive yet.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 8:19 pm to Penrod
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Look at Thatcher Hurd in 2023. The guy seemed a mess for a while, but they knew he had it in him,
It was well established that Hurd had good stuff but would just run into a wall mentally and lose it. Shores has two pitches and one consistent pitch that we’ve seen thus far. Not a good comparison
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If CJJ thinks Shores can benefit from a break in starting he will do it, as he did for Hurd. But he knows what’s in there, and he will keep spending innings to get it, not for next year, but for the only part of this year that really matters - the NCAA Tournament.
Well no shite he’s going to get innings but it shouldn’t be in a starting role. He may perform better coming out of the pen
Posted on 3/25/25 at 9:12 am to Howyouluhdat
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Well no shite he’s going to get innings but it shouldn’t be in a starting role. He may perform better coming out of the pen
Maybe so, but it’s the number of innings that matter, not whether he starts or not.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 9:37 am to Penrod
No movement on his FB... like other hard throwing pitchers from past years who failed... needs to create some movement on his FB to succeed
Posted on 3/25/25 at 9:46 am to NFLSU
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Shores needs to climb the zone with his fastball which will result in more swing and miss with more impact on his secondary pitches.
Was saying this Sunday. It’s not just shores though, it’s all the pitchers and it’s been missing since Yeskie came on.
Mid-90’s and elevated is hard to catch up to, even if you’re looking fastball.
ETA: Yeskie seems to favor the wipeout breaking pitches when his guys are ahead.
This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 9:58 am
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