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So, Let's talk about Coaching Experience and Why its Overrated....

Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:44 am
Posted by BadatBourre
Member since Jan 2019
1193 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:44 am
Let's rewind the tapes to 2021. LSU has just fired Coach O and we are on the lookout for our new head coach. A few names have started to pop up, and the media and some of you have already claimed they would be "Grand Slam Can't Miss Hires". Names like....


Dabo Swinney. 35 wins and 16 losses since 2022.
Lincoln Riley. 33 wins and 16 losses since 2022.
Luke Fickell. 16 wins and 19 loses since 2022.
Matt Rhule. 19 wins and 16 loses since 2022.
Brian Kelly. 34 wins and 14 loses since 2022.

None of these "Established Coaches" have produced ANY National Championships. How many playoff berths between these coaches? That would also be 0.

So, all of you clamoring for some big-name coach with years of winning records doesn't always translate to wins. I'll SETTLE for a coach with little to no experience who's hungry and wants to win now. These are the guys with passion who will elevate this program to the level we all expect. I don't care about "fitting the culture." Nick Saban didn't fit the culture and neither did Les, and guess what? They both won National Championships here.




Posted by r0cky1
Member since Oct 2020
4536 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:45 am to
Yep, this board will say but but but we’re lsu we have to hire a coach with experience. That’s how we end up with Drink, a fun BK
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
16516 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:46 am to
Are you talking specifically about head coaching experience?
Posted by Yeti_Chaser
Member since Nov 2017
11366 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:49 am to
You can also point to the NFL which doesn't care at all about previous HC experience. Plenty of very successful coaches didn't have it. People will say college is different. But if Thomas, Pettito, Bolden, and Martin are doing their jobs then it really isn't that much different from the NFL
This post was edited on 11/17/25 at 9:50 am
Posted by vidtiger23
Member since Feb 2012
7555 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:51 am to
People won’t admit it but coaching is a lot about timing and taking advantage of opportunities. There is no coach that is ever really a slam dunk. It takes a lot of factors for things to come together in making a successful hire and if you put many successful coaches in different situations many will fail a lot of the time.
Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
Member since May 2017
22733 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:52 am to
Terrific. I should be the LSU head coach. Pay me $15 million.

If you want better than me, LSU could bring in Ellis Johnson. He had many years experience as a successful DC when Southern Miss hired him as head coach in 2012. He went 0-12 in his only season there as HC.

But hey, his experience is overrated, so hire me.
This post was edited on 11/17/25 at 9:56 am
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 10:02 am to
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People won’t admit it but coaching is a lot about timing and taking advantage of opportunities. There is no coach that is ever really a slam dunk. It takes a lot of factors for things to come together in making a successful hire and if you put many successful coaches in different situations many will fail a lot of the time.




This is up there with the more logical and reasonable posts you will ever see on this board, possibly the internet at large
Posted by BROpaneTANK
Mandeville
Member since Apr 2010
3042 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 10:06 am to
We also were hyped as hell thinking we we’re hiring Tom Herman 8 years ago, just watched our big time established blue blood coach provide nothing in terms of energy or innovation, and our fans think hiring a coordinator or G5 coach is still entirely beneath us.

We want Kiffin, but if you want Kiffin, and can’t get Kiffin, it makes way more sense to go try and find the next Kiffin than to just pivot to a completely different kind of coach.

If we want Kiffin, we want the style of football he brings. Dynamic playcalling, relentless attack, hurry up, excitement. He doesn’t have a monopoly on that. And our hire can fail, he just can’t fail and be too expensive again. That’s the issue.
This post was edited on 11/17/25 at 11:23 am
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
19950 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 10:08 am to
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But hey, his experience is overrated, so hire me.


I think you're missing the OP's point. A "big-name coach with years of winning" ought not be a pre-requisite for whom we hire. Of course, as you (correctly) point out, having no HC experience is not a virtue either.

Posted by Pauvetibete
Member since Apr 2022
1644 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 10:13 am to
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People won’t admit it but coaching is a lot about timing and taking advantage of opportunities.


Respectfully, disagree. For young up and comers sure. We saw that with Napier at ULL. He won a lot at a program that hasn't had much over all success and that helped him catapult into the SEC.

But what about those long tenured coaches who win and continue to win? Saban for example. You dont have those long tenured 10+ win seasons and multiple championships just because you get lucky. He's doing something right, and that can be his actual coaching, talent evaluation, or his program just works.

Give me the guy who cares, isnt lassiez faire with some fiery passion. I dont care if hes only coached peewee football. Does he understand how to create leaders? Does he understand how to motivate?
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
Champs 03 07 09 11(fack) 19!!!
Member since Mar 2007
21945 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 10:22 am to
quote:

We want Kiffin, but if you want Kiffin, and can’t get Kiffin, it makes way more sense to go try and find the next Kiffin than to just pivot to a completely different kind of coach.




This is what frustrated me so bad with the last two searches. Coveted offensive coordinator Tom Herman stands Alleva up and he goes with, shirtless defensive line cheerleader Orgeron???

Passing guru Lincoln Riley gets weak in the knees at facing Saban every year so Woodward turns to a CEO known for pretty conservative smash mouth football a la Les Miles??


Everyone has known that LSU has generally been a program that is a QB away from very successful championship level football seasons. Yet our coaching hires haven’t reflected that, despite seemingly starting going in that direction.

Yes, it also happens that the two best quarterbacks in school history ended up here under those previous two coaches due to a lot of luck, circumstance, and timing, but they clearly didn’t have the plan or the ability to maintain stability at that most important position.


This is why I am hoping that Lane is the next coach to wear purple and gold (and why he should have been the guy last time if not BOTH times) despite the fact that I think the old way of hiring a known commodity to a massive contract is likely outdated. He is the one exception that I think would be worth that type of approach, simply because of his ability to virtually guarantee very good if not elite play at quarterback every year.


This is also why I would still be satisfied with Riley getting another shot now that Saban is gone and the SEC landscape feels very different than it does even three years ago.


After those two, give me an exciting play caller and coordinator with a stocked NIL war chest and let’s see what they can do.

Play calling and quarterback coaching is priority number one for LSU imo and that has to start at the top. Make that the ultimate focus of this search and Tiger Stadium will be a very fun place for years to come.
This post was edited on 11/17/25 at 10:37 am
Posted by da prophet
hammond, la
Member since Sep 2013
2911 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 10:29 am to
The transfer portal and NIL changed everything. Past proven coaches are dinosaurs. Just ask Saban.
Posted by TeamLSU
Member since Feb 2009
3599 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 10:47 am to
quote:

If we want Kiffin, we want the style of football he brings. Dynamic playcalling, relentless attack, hurry up, excitement. He doesn’t have a monopoly on that. And our hire can fail, he just can’t fail and be too expensive again. That’s the issue.


Spot On here. I don't care what anyone says, I would hire Eric Morris and not look back.
Posted by FightingTigers138
In your thoughts
Member since Dec 2016
5879 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 10:53 am to
quote:

So, all of you clamoring for some big-name coach with years of winning records doesn't always translate to wins. I'll SETTLE for a coach with little to no experience who's hungry and wants to win now. These are the guys with passion who will elevate this program to the level we all expect. I don't care about "fitting the culture." Nick Saban didn't fit the culture and neither did Les, and guess what? They both won National Championships here.


Nick Saban was pulled from Michigan State. Les Miles was pulled from Oklahoma State. I understand your point, but you're contradicting yourself.
Posted by GeauxLSU4
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2012
11870 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 10:55 am to
To further prove your point, there's three active college head coaches that have won Natty's. Dabo, Kirby, and Ryan Day. None of them had head coaching experience when they were hired by their current school.
Posted by Horizon Imperial
Member since Sep 2019
418 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:00 am to
I think morris could follow the Burrow-blueprint and have us contend pretty quickly.

He’s shown he can recruit, coach and develop quarterbacks. He’ll have receivers at his disposal in Louisiana. He’s known to gain lots of yards through the air. A flashy offense will definitely make people happy.

All he’d need is a pretty good D coordinator if he puts up points as he has. We already have one of those.

I don’t know that anyone can outdo burrow and company, but morris, I think, can give it a shot as well as anyone maybe.

And he’s got to be comfortable in the area already given his current recruiting terrain at North Texas.

It might not be everyone’s first choice, but I don’t see how it would be considered a bad one
This post was edited on 11/17/25 at 11:29 am
Posted by BROpaneTANK
Mandeville
Member since Apr 2010
3042 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:22 am to
quote:

Spot On here. I don't care what anyone says, I would hire Eric Morris and not look back.


Im glad that’s what you took from this, because that’s exactly what I’m thinking too. Would love to give someone like him a run.
Posted by tFearIsReal
Death Valley
Member since Sep 2015
2604 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:32 am to
quote:

… and we turn to a CEO known for pretty conservative smash mouth football a la Les Miles?


I mean…do you have any memory outside of this year? I am happy Brian Kelly is gone, but he engineered an absolutely lethal offense in 2023 and produced our third Heisman trophy winner.

A lot of people on here are acting like Brian Kelly fit the mold of a failure from the start and he didn’t. I know we all want to have the smoking gun here that explains the fickleness of this sport, but we don’t.
Posted by LVag1997
Member since Jun 2021
707 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:36 am to
Agree. I have a hard time liking any of those coaches. Dabo, in particular, would be a terrible hire. He refuses to use the portal to plug roster holes.

Not a fan of Lincoln Riley. Haven't really paid attention to the other coaches.
Posted by beauchristopher
Member since Jan 2008
71509 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:37 am to
Exactly. LSU showed what they could be when they got the QB. Kiffin is great with QBs. Want. If not then whoever else can produce great QB play.
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