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re: So, injuries closing the talent gap = LSU in trouble?
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
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hell you'd have thought our 3 point lead was a 30 point led
I know, yet it's the truth. The same thing happened in the Auburn game.
When the getting 3 yards from your running backs is a chore, there's a problem.
We average 9 points in SEC games right now.
The defense has been playing lights out but are gased by the the beginning of the 4th. The offense needs to step up and do their part.
Chavis has his boys ready. What's the OC doing with his boys? It's a fair enough question.
This post was edited on 10/7/12 at 11:50 pm
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Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:45 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
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To me it was worse then Auburn in 06.
way worse. we moved the ball a little in that game and got fricking hosed on at least 3 calls
Yesterday looked like the first half vs UGA and all of 1/9 except for the first drive. Last year when the D got us a TO inside the 10 we scored TD's. That sequence yesterday was horrible.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:47 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
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The guy I have always wanted to dump was Studwara. I feel like our line is very shittily coached compared to the talent there. Ben Wilkerson probably was the reason for last year.
I wanted to dump Stud in 2009. I didn't think about that with Wilkerson last year and maybe Josh D as well. He might make a good coach, but I can't lie, I was not happy they gave him a 6th year, he got pushed around a good bit in 2010.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:48 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Last year when the D got us a TO inside the 10 we scored TD's. That sequence yesterday was horrible.
But, but the headsets were malfunctioning and Mett got a play call not listed on his wristband. fricking joke.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
Les was content with that 6-0 lead at halftime. Hell after we couldn't score from the 7, I knew it was over.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:50 pm to H-Town Tiger
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That sequence yesterday was horrible.
Rolling Mett out on second down was one of the worst play calls I have ever seen. That guy is slow. We know that. I say put him in the shotgun on most plays. We can still run the ball and he wouldn't have to move as much. We are trying to make him play the QB that he is incapable of being when we could do so much more with him by playing to his strengths.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:50 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I only object to using dishonest arguments and cherry picking stats to suit your claim. I agree he is not as good as Saban or Meyer, criticism of the in game adjustments and offensive development is valid.
I can respect that, but trying to have an honest discussion as to why both of those guys are significantly better than Les is only responded to by these Les E-Knights with "But he's 3-3 against both. While true, both are in different levels.
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What doesn't get discussed enough is the OL play. IMO the OL was poor in 2008 and 2009. I was better, but still avg in 2010. Last year looks like a fluke and the OL was as bad as JJ on 1/9. Its been bad this year.
I agree with this in some regard. OL play was bad, but Les and company did absolutely nothing to adjust and give them some help. It was quite evident that LSU's players just quit in that title game, but only after their head coach clearly wasn't giving them any shot.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 12:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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2007: pro style offense with lots of passing
If lots of passing = 58th nationally in yards per game
Flynn finished 6th in the SEC in passing yards.
I do agree with you about throwing over the middle more. Specifically, I'd like to see the TEs much more involved.
I actually like Miles' philosophy, it just needs some sophistication, deception, creativity, etc., especially with the OL injuries. But, I wasn't surprised we didn't make adjustments because we ran the same stuff with a physically subpar O-line in 2009 & 2010. The main reason 2010 had better numbers was because of Ridley.
But, to put the importance of the running game into perspective, since 2000, only two BCS Champions have finished in the top 25 in passing yards per game. 2000 Oklahoma & 2004 USC. They each ranked 13. The average national rank in passing yards per game of the 12 Champions in that time is 51.
7 of those 12 teams and 5 of the last 6 during the SEC run finished in the top 25 in rushing yards per game. The average national rank in rushing yards per game is 23. The last six years it is 15.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 1:09 am to inadaze
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If lots of passing = 58th nationally in yards per game
They still threw for 1000 more yards that season than last season. In fact, they threw for over 3000 yards in both 2003 and 2007. They threw for only a bit over 2000 yards last year.
You can certainly be run heavy but you've got to be able to throw the ball. You have to go back to Ohio State in 2002 to find a team that was near as bad in the passing game as we were last year.
The unfortunate issue is that we've been getting fewer and fewer yards in the air every year since 2007 so we must rely more and more heavily on the run game and that makes the team very one dimensional and easy to scheme for.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 1:23 am to nf
I'm with you in the desire for balance, or at least being able to throw the ball when the defense gives you the opportunity.
As for 2002 Ohio St., they ranked 92nd nationally in passing yards per game. 2009 Alabama also ranked 92nd.
As for 2002 Ohio St., they ranked 92nd nationally in passing yards per game. 2009 Alabama also ranked 92nd.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 2:36 am to inadaze
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2009 Alabama also ranked 92nd.
They did, but their passing offense and rushing offense were very balanced. They passed for about 185 yards and game and rushed for about 215.
And if you look at SEC play only, which is probably a better indicator from season to season, Alabama had more passing than rushing offense in both 2009 and 2011. It's not a huge difference, but it's there.
Auburn skewed heavy to the run in SEC play, but that's not surprising given the offense they ran and the talent they had at QB. Even Florida in 2008, running a similar spread option, had almost as many yards in the air as on the ground. Though a lot of that was short passes and YAC.
So yes, I'd say that balance is incredibly important. And despite the idea that power running wins the SEC that doesn't mean that you don't need a passing attack to threaten with.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 4:48 am to SlowFlowPro
I'm sorry man, but after getting nailed 3 times on a blind side corner blitz, Mett should learn to look out for them. That's the worst thing I fault him for other than his bad accuracy on short passes, he has the worst pocket presence I've seen in a long time. I was watching Peyton Manning today and he moves faster than Mett. It's unbelievable that he's so slow.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 7:02 am to SlowFlowPro
This may sound oversimplified, but I think it is obvious why Miles refuses to throw over the middle.
It is a result of 2008.
Nothing against Lee, but the massive number of pick-6's that season is what caused Miles to take over the offense from Crowton.
I think the pick-6's gave him a major phobia about throwing over the middle, complex WR patterns, and unleashing a young QB.
Again, before I get railed, I am not blaming Lee. I'm blaming Miles for reacting wrongly.
It is a result of 2008.
Nothing against Lee, but the massive number of pick-6's that season is what caused Miles to take over the offense from Crowton.
I think the pick-6's gave him a major phobia about throwing over the middle, complex WR patterns, and unleashing a young QB.
Again, before I get railed, I am not blaming Lee. I'm blaming Miles for reacting wrongly.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 7:22 am to Roaad
I agree Roaad. Miles had a pass in 08' working in a frosh QB off a NC. Should have let JL go through the woes and built him up the entire way. Could have worked the dual threat even with JJ in many situations.
Point is Miles completely mishandled the offense the last 4 years. He was blessed by the D talent the last two. He is a great recruiter, but a horrible horrible OC
Point is Miles completely mishandled the offense the last 4 years. He was blessed by the D talent the last two. He is a great recruiter, but a horrible horrible OC
Posted on 10/8/12 at 7:23 am to sunnydaze
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that's the thing. Name the last team that had an offense and defense in the top 30 in terms of yards gained and given up.
It just doesn't happen often
Just from last year:
Bama was 31st in total offense and 1st in total defense
Stanford was 8th in total offense and 26th in total defense
Boise St was 9th in total offense and 16th in total defense
Wisconsin was 14th in total offense and 15th in total defense
Southern Miss was 17th in total offense and 29th in total defense
TCU was 28th in total offense and 32nd in total defense
Those 6 teams went a combined 68-11 last year
Posted on 10/8/12 at 7:28 am to ItNeverRains
When your OL plays like this one, there is no major cure. Then you compound it by have WR's consistently dropping passes.
Right now this Offense is a mess and it's Miles fault.
2 things that I saw late in the game that gives me a glimmer of hope:
We targeted Jacobs over the middle a few times late. Finally some passes to the TE. You must do this more.
We actually threw a screen pass.
I know it's gloom and doom for many. But, this defense is still good enough that if we can find a way to get some help from the offense we can still be pretty good.
This weeks game may truly be the biggest of Miles career.
Right now this Offense is a mess and it's Miles fault.
2 things that I saw late in the game that gives me a glimmer of hope:
We targeted Jacobs over the middle a few times late. Finally some passes to the TE. You must do this more.
We actually threw a screen pass.
I know it's gloom and doom for many. But, this defense is still good enough that if we can find a way to get some help from the offense we can still be pretty good.
This weeks game may truly be the biggest of Miles career.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 7:54 am to la_birdman
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I know, yet it's the truth. The same thing happened in the Auburn game.
well i'll defend miles and co some about UF b/c they did pin us back a bit, but we REALLY didn't try anything b/c we had that lead
it's like when rantards say, "i'll win every game 3-0 all the way to the title game." yes, they are right in that 13 ugly wins will almost assuredly end up with a national title, but my point is always that close wins against shite teams is a bad sign, b/c, you know, you'll play better teams at some point. then when you DO play better teams, "playing to keep it close" eliminates your margin of error
Posted on 10/8/12 at 7:57 am to SlowFlowPro
problem is, our talent level is not higher than the other top tier sec teams, and this year we have almost 10 less scholarship players than USC does! we are in the sixties! talent is not abound
Posted on 10/8/12 at 8:04 am to SlowFlowPro
In an attempt to be rational, there are some things that can be fixed, and some things that cannot. Our offensive line is playing poorly but a lot of that is the injury situation. Not that the subs are all that less talented, but a good line needs to work together. Constant changes make that difficult. The wideouts seem to be dropping way to many balls (fumbles and dropped passes). The quarterback and running backs do not seem to be able to recognize the corner blitz.
Play calling is questionable. Florida watched the Alabama film from the first game and realized that LSU won't be able to respond well to press coverage and 8 in the box. Until we come up with a game plan to overcome that, everyone will do the same. I am afraid that if we get whipped soundly this weekend, the team could begin to give up. We need to make some changes in the offensive plan, something that Carolina hasn't seen in our films.
Play calling is questionable. Florida watched the Alabama film from the first game and realized that LSU won't be able to respond well to press coverage and 8 in the box. Until we come up with a game plan to overcome that, everyone will do the same. I am afraid that if we get whipped soundly this weekend, the team could begin to give up. We need to make some changes in the offensive plan, something that Carolina hasn't seen in our films.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 8:07 am to dinosaur
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I am afraid that if we get whipped soundly this weekend, the team could begin to give up
that is my worry as well. the wheels could come off.
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