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re: Smoke Laval was fired for 1 sub .500 SEC Season
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:39 pm to Madking
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:39 pm to Madking
quote:
So you’d have everyone believe that the 07 Arkansas team was was nothing but true freshman?
Quit putting words in my mouth. I never alluded to any of this.
The first and only thing I've said about 2007 in this thread is that 2007 isn't "Smoke's era"
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Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:47 pm to Broski
So Arkansas starts its streak of 18 NCAA tourney appearances in 19 years back in 02 with their first 2 national seeds coming in 04 and 07 but the 07 team isn’t part of that programs success because a coach from another school was changed? The topic is the state of the SEC at that time, not Smoke Lavall. Now you jumped into someone else’s convo and are trying to reset the parameters so maybe go back and read the thread.
This post was edited on 4/4/21 at 11:50 pm
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:48 pm to Madking
Then why say "Smoke's Era"?
But again, two national seeds in a six year span isn't consistent.
Mainieri with LSU has had two national seeds since 2016.
But again, two national seeds in a six year span isn't consistent.
Mainieri with LSU has had two national seeds since 2016.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:55 pm to Broski
You’re just being intellectually dishonest and I wonder why? Is it because you worship CPM or is it because you’re just a contrarian? 2 national seeds in 4 years is consistent, you keep throwing in outside qualifiers that don’t apply. The discussion was accusations that the SEC was weak and top heavy during Smoke’s era yet all the data suggest that’s the antithesis of reality. But like I said you’re just stirring shite, there is not data to refute the SECs performance during that time yet you’re trying to twist reality for whatever reason.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:56 pm to Madking
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Is it because you worship CPM
Literally called for him to be fired in multiple threads today.
But by all means, continue to project.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 12:08 am to Broski
You obviously don’t know what project means but I’ll pacify you anyway. Scratch the 07 Arky comment and replace it with, Arkansas started a streak of 18 NCAA tourney appearances in 19 years including multiple national seeds, 6 CWS appearances and 1 national runner up starting in 2002. Happy now? Does that change the point which is that Arkansas was a very good program from 02-06? No it doesn’t which makes your entire argument pointless.
This post was edited on 4/5/21 at 12:41 am
Posted on 4/5/21 at 1:11 am to redfieldk717
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CPM won with smokes players
This is going to be awkward, as I have been saying it's time to move on from Mainieri, but I'm going to defend him in this particular case.
Mainieri did not win with Smoke's players. His first year here, with Smoke's players, was awful. In year two, after bringing in the top class in the nation (and I would argue one of the best in history, when you consider the number of draft picks and major league players that came from that class) we went to Omaha. Then, in year three, with virtually no one left over from Smoke's last team, we won the national championship. The only player who was really a major contributor from Smoke's last team was Louis Coleman. Granted, he was our most valuable pitcher, but he only played one year under Smoke, and it was a bad one.
So let's not lie through our teeth just to make a point. Mainieri was good when he got here. He had energy, passion, and even common sense. But he makes decisions now that seem indicative of a man who's desperately short on answers and is just hoping something will work. His energy seems nonexistent, and he has that weird "one guy has to be in the doghouse at all times" thing going on. We can speculate on the reasons why, but he's not the same coach who came here 14 years ago, in my opinion.
This post was edited on 4/5/21 at 1:16 am
Posted on 4/5/21 at 5:14 am to LSUFanMizeWay
Smoke was fired for not being Skip.
Posted on 4/7/21 at 12:55 pm to fishdoctor
quote:Nope. I’m not gonna argue with a moron. Not today.
Are you saying Les was better than Dinardo?
Posted on 4/7/21 at 1:06 pm to LSUFanMizeWay
Hmm did the SEC have every fricking team in the top 25 when Smoke coached? How about when Skip coached?
Posted on 4/7/21 at 1:12 pm to poncho villa
Don't try to compare Mainieri to Skip, it's like comparing a Pinto to a Lamborghini.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 3:52 pm to doubleb
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We aren’t nearly where Vandy is and that’s where we SHOULD be.
FIFY
Should is the wrong word. It implies that it’s easy, that anyone could do it; when reality is it’s extremely hard to put together elite teams every season and get to Omaha. Then you have to win the tournament there.
No doubt we have the tools to compete with Vandy, but you have to have the coaches and players focused on the process of building championships with the energy to get it done. Nothing should be taken for granted. Just because we are LSU guarantees nothing.
My response is late but I wanted to come back to this. I agree with what you say about the difficulty of winning at Omaha, but maybe you don't remember the credibility LSU had just 12-13 years ago. Under Skip we won 5 of 10 championships, we opened the best facility in the country in 2009, we have led the nation in attendance for the past 22 years, and are renowned for our fan support. I believe that legacy is being lost under Coach Mainieri. We have seen previously mediocre.SEC teams rise above us and we have sunk to the lower levels of our conference. If we wait too much longer we are going to completely squander our legacy. Just my two cents.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 4:13 pm to LSUFanMizeWay
He didnt win a natty, appear in another champ game, win multiple SEC champs and multiple SEC tourneys.
As a result its hard to compare
As a result its hard to compare
Posted on 4/13/21 at 4:23 pm to BilltheTiger
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If we wait too much longer we are going to completely squander our legacy. Just my two cents.
Even if CPM ran this program straight into the ground with the right hire you can have the team back in a couple seasons.
Just look at the beginning of CPM’s time at LSU. People were probably saying the same things you are when Smoke was fired after missing the postseason his last season. In two years they were back in Omaha and in 3 years they won the National Championship.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 5:28 pm to Madking
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Does that change the point which is that Arkansas was a very good program from 02-06? No it doesn’t which makes your entire argument pointless.
I’m not a Mainieri fan, but i’m stepping in in this one.
Arkansas has won more regionals in the 14 seasons with Paul than they did in the 20 years combined of Skip and Smoke.
And 2 of those 14 there wasn’t even a postseason (yet).
The same is true about Mississippi State.
and Vanderbilt
and Florida
That’s just winning a regional. Not necessarily advancing even farther.
Number of SEC teams (not named LSU) to win a Natty in baseball in entire history of conference pre-Paul Mainieri hire date: 1 UGA in 1990.
Number of Natty’s since: 5. 2 by So Carolina. 2 by Vandy. 1 by Florida.
the SEC today is noticeably better than the SEC was 15 years ago.
15 years ago the conference was good.
Today it is dominant.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 5:51 pm to SM6
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I just don’t understand why Woody extended the guy. We thought we were getting an ace in the hole with our new AD. Turns out he is just an arse hole
Swing and a miss there buddy. And the fact that 22 people upvoted this, compared to 3 downvotes, paints a very accurate picture of how completely moronic a large percentage of this board is.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 5:53 pm to LSUFanMizeWay
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This will be Mainieri's 4th, and this season appears to be a futility record.
I don't count 2007 against Mainieri in any way. That team actually played with a pulse at times and took 2/3 on the road at #25 Alabama, at #15 Mississippi State, and at #3 Arkansas. They were in line to make the SEC tournament but they ran into a #1 Vandy buzzsaw the last weekend of the season.
2010 and 2011 were awful. So in my eyes he's had two below .500 SEC seasons so far.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 6:04 pm to catholictigerfan
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Smoke was fired because he missed the post season for the first time in 17 years
...and the program talent was slipping in a big way. Remember that first team Mainieri fielded. It was scary bad relative to what Smoke inherited.
Smoke was a disaster. And anyone who thinks the landscape today is no harder than it was when Smoke was the HC is blind.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 6:59 pm to Madking
also since Arky has been brought up
Just felt that never mentioned enough
Just felt that never mentioned enough
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:15 pm to moneyg
Let’s see - Smoke did 80% of the coaching and 90% of the recruiting for Skip. Was successful everywhere he went and was a disaster?
Promised an indoor hitting facility that the AD didn’t provide (oh, that was Skip) and promised West coast games that also didn’t happen. That ultimately hurt the program. The SEC was becoming more than a 3 league team when Skip stepped off the beam.
Smoke bashing, while popular with some on this board, is for the truly uninformed.
Promised an indoor hitting facility that the AD didn’t provide (oh, that was Skip) and promised West coast games that also didn’t happen. That ultimately hurt the program. The SEC was becoming more than a 3 league team when Skip stepped off the beam.
Smoke bashing, while popular with some on this board, is for the truly uninformed.
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