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Posted on 9/6/22 at 12:00 am to TheAstroTiger
What blitz did you see in any of those screenshots? Not one man. So that hot read stuff as it relates to this post is a moot point.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 1:09 am to The Egg
quote:agreed. I was trying to be optimistic but that scheme requires GREAT protection.
i liked absolutely nothing of what denbrock brought to the table last night
Our Oline isn't up to that, and the QB has itchy legs. That's a recipe for what we saw last night. I hate lazy comparisons but it really was similar to JJ...maybe slightly better.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 1:35 am to Adam Banks
Yea, there are multiple issues that need to be addressed. I think we can get most of it fixed and minimize the ones that can’t be fixed. It will take a few games to fix all these issues because others will pop up and different players will make the same mistakes in other games.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:06 am to Lou Pai
In total agreement. Nice post. Hope the coaches see this in their review...
Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:32 am to 5Alive
quote:
What blitz did you see in any of those screenshots? Not one man. So that hot read stuff as it relates to this post is a moot point
You need glasses. Let me point out the obvious on this play previously posted by the OP.
FSU was primarily playing a 4 man front. The LB’s and sometimes a CB would creep to the LOS when LSU lined up with 2 WR’s to each side. This created 6 pass rushers for only 5 OL to block them. On this play below, the CB lined up to the left and was sent on a blitz. He was blocked by the RB. The LB on the right was showing blitz and he was completely unaccounted for - no one to block him. He was untouched, and sacked Daniels.
Had Daniels read the defensive alignment and coverage, he should have checked off to the hot receiver. There are 3 available options:
1) TE quick slant (on left)
2) WR in slot , quick slant (on right)
3) RB slips out as a safety valve to dump off pass.
The play should have resulted in a completed pass for 5-7 yds. in the blue areas. It was wide open most of the night. This was an easy read as Burrow, Jefferson, and Clyde shredded teams on this exact defensive alignment
Looks like Boutte recognized the blitz and ran a slant . The TE on left side is running 4 yds down the field with his back to the QB oblivious to the blitzing CB . The RB did his responsibility by blocking the blitzing CB.
If Daniels can’t read defensive alignments pre-snap, and make check off calls, he will either get sacked multiple times or he will tuck it and run all game long like he did vs. FSU. A QB as your leading ball carrier and rusher will not cut it when it comes to conference play.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 6:45 am to Lou Pai
I really believe this is the reason Daniels started over Nuss.. the OL is not up to par and Daniels can scramble faster
Posted on 9/6/22 at 6:51 am to tigers0615
Did you not read his explanation? The qb not reading the defense caused this to be a bad play…..the o line did their job….look at the picture. Everyone had a man….
The qb’s job was to throw the quick slant
The qb’s job was to throw the quick slant
This post was edited on 9/6/22 at 6:52 am
Posted on 9/6/22 at 7:09 am to 5Alive
quote:
5AliveSkycam view of OL in pass protection by 5AliveWhat blitz did you see in any of those screenshots? Not one man. So that hot read stuff as it relates to this post is a moot point.
Bingo, our six blockers couldn’t stop a four man rush.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 7:19 am to Got Blaze
quote:That's one thing that a few have trouble grasping, to affect protection they don't have to actually blitz. They just have to be in striking distance. Your protection has to change based on that alone.
FSU was primarily playing a 4 man front. The LB’s and sometimes a CB would creep to the LOS when LSU lined up with 2 WR’s to each side. This created 6 pass rushers for only 5 OL to block them. On this play below, the CB lined up to the left and was sent on a blitz. He was blocked by the RB. The LB on the right was showing blitz and he was completely unaccounted for - no one to block him. He was untouched, and sacked Daniels.
And if you can't account for them all, it is all now on the QB & receivers.
Sometimes you choose not to account for them all and let them come. But that is also on the QB and receivers.
In that alignment you showed, the OLB on the right (offense) is unaccounted for. OL blocked that way. You're right- that's what q-slant is for.
But also, look at JDs window. IF something goes wrong with that slant he's screwed because he's out of time with an unaccounted rusher. He should also, this is in addition to, motion Taylor (who shows up on the left hash mark) over to the right. Not to block, but to run a quick out or something into that zone so that IF JD takes his eye off the slant for whatever reason there is another option within that line of sight, because time is of the essence.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 7:28 am to Lou Pai
I see a bunch of plays where the ball should have been thrown by the second picture. Too bad we chose the running QB and not one that could hit a quick slant.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 7:32 am to Lou Pai
quote:
Daniels was definitely not set up to succeed passing-wise until they changed it up.
x10000
Posted on 9/6/22 at 7:35 am to TheAstroTiger
quote:Yep.
As a qb, you have to recognize the blitz and get it to the hot rote in those situations. It’s not all on the blockers.
In not one of those snapshots is Daniels getting pressure from his blind side. He can see the pressure in every situation. He needs to hit the quick slant.
The last thing you want to do in that situation is sit in the pocket reading a 10+ yard route.
The only play I see with a route <5 yards available is the first one. That's on Denbrock.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 7:37 am to baytiger11
quote:
He needs to hit the quick slant.
slants and short routes need to be the scheme going forward. make it easy on the qb
Posted on 9/6/22 at 7:41 am to Lou Pai
I was at the game, and it just felt like there was an unblocked rusher the majority of snaps and this proves that.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 7:42 am to Lou Pai
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This was more of an example of Daniels being one-read and take off. To me, Daniels could have stepped up in the pocket and do a better job of anticipating Boutte freeing up. Bech is also open, but he never saw him. Instead, he took off and picked up 8 yards, but this play could have gone for more.
I get the sentiment, but keep in mind that at this point Daniels had been sacked on 2 of his last 8 snaps.. and would have been sacked the previous play if not for a hold by Kole Taylor.
Nothing happens in a vacuum. Yeah, you’d like him to step up and deliver to Boutte in that spot (though Boutte does have a safety sitting right over him, so it’s going to be contested). But I’d also rather he gain 8 yards on the ground than take another sack. It’s a judgement call and he made the safest play for a nice gain.
Also that’s a really tough throw to Bech deep on the opposite side of the field while Dellinger gets beat on the right and Wire gets beat outside. Realistically his options there are throw to Boutte or take the wide open running lane.
Great post BTW, appreciate the screenshots.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 7:42 am to monsterballads
IF JD is going to remain qb going forward, I agree there needs to be a safety valve on every play. Slant, TE flat, 5 yd curl etc.
It really should be work your progressions deep to shallow, but with this o line, he will rarely have 3-4 seconds to let a 15 yard route develop.
It really should be work your progressions deep to shallow, but with this o line, he will rarely have 3-4 seconds to let a 15 yard route develop.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 7:53 am to baytiger11
I always watch the skycast when it's available on ESPN. Can see the Oline pass blocking. Holes open up when running the ball. Receivers coming open. You hear the stadium announcers call. Great benefit is you don't have to listen to the talking heads. Also hear the Tiger band well.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 7:56 am to Lou Pai
Daniels was too quick to take out running. I had the impression he was easily flustered. I hope he improves but I am also concerned about his accuracy under pressure. I would like to see Nuss get some real game opportunities.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 8:05 am to 5Alive
quote:
What blitz did you see in any of those screenshots? Not one man. So that hot read stuff as it relates to this post is a moot point
You need to go look again. It’s clear as day 6 defenders are attacking the line of scrimmage. The only moot point is your ability to count.
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