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Lou Pai
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Skycam view of OL in pass protection

Wanted to rewatch the game in Skyview because I didn't feel like I got a good sense at all of what was happening between WRs, Daniels and OL. I am also a masochist and a loser. But in general I actually came away a little less concerned about the OL. I am just a humble fan with no real knowledge but it was very clear to me that a large part of our issues were players either missing assignments or simply not being put in a good position.
 
In general, left side of line and center were more than adequate, but there may have been some communication issues, etc. on the right side.  Wire is catching a lot of flak on here but I don't think he was necessarily overpowered or outmatched other than maybe on that big sack by Verse in that last drive. To me, the issue was that he blew some assignments.

Also when they tried to help out the right side, there were some ridiculous mismatches that were allowed. For example, Josh Williams or Mason Taylor having to block Jared Verse 1-1. Not sure who to blame this kind of stuff on - Denbrock, Davis, Wire, Daniels pre-snap, etc., but there were a few instances of this happening.

I took a few screenshots, hope y'all like them!

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Play:


Completely unblocked pass rusher, was a sack

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Play:


True freshman tight end in his first game trying to block a 250 lb DE, was a sack

Pre-Snap:

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Holding call on K. Taylor trying to block Verse 1-1

Pre-Snap:

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This was more of an example of Daniels being one-read and take off. To me, Daniels could have stepped up in the pocket and do a better job of anticipating Boutte freeing up. Bech is also open, but he never saw him. Instead, he took off and picked up 8 yards, but this play could have gone for more.

FG Block:


Verse was totally unblocked on the FG he blocked. Looks like Wire just blocked the wrong guy.

Pre-Snap:

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This is the situation I mentioned earlier with Josh Williams trying to block Verse 1 on 1. Not sure what Wire is doing here, but this is pretty absurd.

Side note from watching skyview: There was definitely a change in the playcalling at the end of the 3rd quarter that allowed Daniels to get the ball out much quicker, this paid off and completely changed the game. I'm not sure if this makes Denbrock a moron for not adjusting earlier or what. But the Cam Cameron comparisons seem pretty fair as most of the plays seemed to be deep, slow-developing routes, which makes no sense to me when breaking in a new OL. Daniels was definitely not set up to succeed passing-wise until they changed it up.


TomballTiger
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good post!


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TheAstroTiger
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As a qb, you have to recognize the blitz and get it to the hot rote in those situations. It’s not all on the blockers.


catfish 62
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Daniels would benefit from hitting the slant over the middle when opponents bring 7. He’ll figure it out. I can’t imagine how bad it would have been if he wasn’t mobile trying to escape those pockets…


bretwayne13
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I'm not sure if this makes Denbrock a moron for not adjusting earlier or what


Wondering this too, why we didn’t make adjustment earlier in game.


Havoc
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Thanks for the pics and breakdown. My feels is that this loss wasn’t cataclysmic, just Several mistakes and a few issues that can be improved.


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The Egg
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i liked absolutely nothing of what denbrock brought to the table last night.


TutHillTiger
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Thank you for this, I left like offense was fixable, but not sure about defense. If you want to do one on our defense please do


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Lou Pai
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Daniels would benefit from hitting the slant over the middle when opponents bring 7. He’ll figure it out. I can’t imagine how bad it would have been if he wasn’t mobile trying to escape those pockets…


You say that, and I agree but this honestly didn't exist for about 3 quarters last night. It was pretty amazing how empty the middle of the field was when we were throwing it.


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Sky cam is awesome. Really changes the entire perspective.


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ND_Bassfisherman
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Good post. Appreciate the images. It's hard to overcome poor offensive line play. Luckily, the QB is mobile and can make plays with his feet and not just his arm.


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PeleofAnalytics
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Like in the first one, if you have a guy coming in unblocked, that is probably on the QB for not setting up his protection or hit that slot WR on the right immediately. That was not the OL fault
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Got Blaze
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IMO, Joe Burrow’s greatest asset was reading and recognizing defenses pre snap. He often audibled and checked off to hot reads. WR’s were also on the same page as Burrow and knew when to look for the ball.

Sadly, it appears LSU’s QB’s since the 2019 season aren’t cerebral enough read defenses and make changes at the LOS.


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GeauxPack81
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It was pretty amazing how empty the middle of the field was when we were throwing it.


My thoughts exactly. Really just not acceptable for a coach to be so blind to this for a full 2.5 quarters.

Great post. I've been saying this with a hunch all day, but your post backs it up. The OLine isn't great, but not deserving of the shot being thrown their way. Far more on the coaches inability to scheme around it. I've never seen a game plan less suited for the personnel then that first half.


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Adam Banks
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Side note from watching skyview: There was definitely a change in the playcalling at the end of the 3rd quarter that allowed Daniels to get the ball out much quicker, this paid off and completely changed the game. I'm not sure if this makes Denbrock a moron for not adjusting earlier or what.


First series typically is scripted and went inside the FSU 10

Second series 3and out

3rd series got inside the FSU 10

4th series (not counting running out the clock) 3 and out

Then the adjustment made and gave 3 straight TDs


When was he supposed to scrap his offense when he got 3 possessions in the first half? After the first drive which was scripted and got inside the ten?

After the second drive which was a 3 and out?

After the third which we got inside the ten and boutte dropped a sure touchdown which was wide open?


The defense not getting off the field on 3rd down and allowing the offense so few possessions is more of a problem than denbrock
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deuce985
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Keep an eye on this throughout the season. This is something BK does with his offenses and it's going to drive LSU fans insane as it should. LSU's offensive woes with Denbrock's scheme are on BK's shoulders. It's as much his offense as Denbrock and it's unacceptable.
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briano22
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this is great. where do you watch the game in skycast?


LSUser91
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Good post. Daniels has to trust his fundamental. I'm sure the work on climbing the pocket he down the field and make the throw. The one with Bech is a great example on the 4th set of pics. Also, the on with Williams on Verse...definitely gotta climb back up in the pocket to buy a little time. Hopefully he grasp the concept of continuing to look down the field. More than likely not, but wishful thinking.


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I20goon
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1. In several of those you can see that what they are calling protection for, isn't what comes at them. FSU wasn't that tricky with it either. Many times what they showed was going to be unblockable so the protection adjustment was just a guess and was a very low chance of success. The adjustment in those cases it to account for a rusher with your routes, and make it quick.

2. Many of those windows are tough on a QB. It's like we were splitting the field in half and making JD look over the entire field to find a guy. He should, most of the time, be able to spend most of his drop back/set time looking vertical through his progressions, not left and then all the way back horizontally. Probably part of the reason he's not seeing so many open guys. By the time he's scanned a zone he's under pressure or has his eyes elsewhere. He should have a much narrower horizontal window with receivers either moving through it in quick succession or within it vertically. The horizontal outside that window is for mismatches and hot routes; once you turn your head into that zone it's over- you are either running it or throwing it to that one guy.

3. are we always putting the RB to the boundary side? That's helping the opponent disguise more where they can show LBs on either side coming or close the LoS where the OL has to account for them. If on the field side they either have to move a S or you can assume a LB within striking distance doesn't need to be accounted for by the OL. We're helping them split our assignments. That's how you end up with a RB one on one with a DE.

4. If they are making you account for 6 or 7, some Bunch will force those LBs to start accounting for receivers and take the initiative back somewhat.


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Lou Pai
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watch.espn.com, search "LSU"


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