re: Scott Woodward was not responsible for Jimbo’s buy out. Love him/hate him this is not true

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Burrow won that championship just like cam won in 2010 and not chizik

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Burrow didn't hire the coaching staff.

Burrow didn't recruit the team that won that championship.

Burrow didn't convince Alleva that Orgeron could build the right team.

Burrow was a fricking 3rd stringer at aOSU when Orgeron was building that team, you idiot.

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...Scott brought Mr. Fat Cheeks to A&M. Same thing with Brian Kelly.

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on the one hand ... I understand this take but in part this is hindsight... Kelly's 1st year at LSU showed promise...

IMO... Hiring Kelly in this case was in some sense understandable under the circumstances... Statistically Kelly had a good track record and seemed to bring some stability...

His contract on the other hand was over the top. ( IMO...).. and the problem there is its impossible for me to know how much of that is on Woodward vs other influences amongst the donors...

Problem is picking a coach is not simply a numbers game.. prior success is not a guarantee of future outcomes...

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correct. I updated my number… 30 million is still a large number but not the large amount that keeps getting thrown out

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If you set aside the 75 million jimbo buyout then the $30 million would be the number 3 buyout of all time


Kelly then becomes number 1. Orgeron is number 8.



I think it’s safe to say Woodward is responsible for 3 of the top 10 buyouts in history.



That’s like hall of fame bad AD

Jimbo was extended before the 2021 season. At the time his buyout was about $45 million. As a result of the extension, had he been fired before Dec. 1, 2021 (end of the season) he would have been owed $95.6 million.

Therefore, the extension added about $50 million to the buyout. The buyout when he was fired was $77.5 million, more than the original 10-year $75 million contract.

Before A&M extended him he had seasons of 9-4, 8-5, and 9-1, the last being 2020, the Covid season. With 7 years left on the contract there was no urgency to give an extension. Post-extension he went 8-4, 5-7 and 6-4 (fired midseason). It is highly unlikely he would have left. No other school was going to give such a one-sided contract to a coach.

There was also no offset clause in the buyout provision (either the original or the extension), something that is in the Kelly and Franklin contracts.

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There was also no offset clause in the buyout provision (either the original or the extension)

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A&M has always done lump sum buyouts. Even before Woodward, Sumlin's contract had a lump sum buyout payable in 60 days. That's just how A&M has done business because they have the money to do it that way.

So I'm not going to put that all on Woodward. A&M, for years, just threw out large sums of money at coaches with fully guaranteed lump sum buyouts so they can outbid whoever they want when hiring a coach. They knew they had money in droves where it didn't really matter what they would be on the hook for as long as they hired the guy their boosters wanted.

As for hiring Jimbo in 2018, let's not forget, Jimbo was a popular name for LSU's job when we fired Miles in 2016. He'd won a national title in 2013 and followed that up with 33 wins over the next 3 seasons. He didn't have a good 2017 season, but hiring him in 2018 wasn't a crazy hire. I don't think anyone would have predicted he'd end so poorly there with what he'd done throughout his career up to that point

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However, it was not a good hire which is what people try to point to they just don't have all their facts straight.

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I mean he got them to (and won) the only NY6/BCS bowl they've been to since 1998

Miles ran out of trained monkeys and hired Slinger to coach TE. It took Orgeron to look at that staff and realize Slinger could run the offense better than Cameron.