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re: Scott Rabais (The Advocate) on the LSU defense...

Posted on 11/23/19 at 9:21 am to
Posted by tigertex1992
Houston
Member since Apr 2014
1863 posts
Posted on 11/23/19 at 9:21 am to
Our offense was on the field longer than our defense against Ol Miss.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
93646 posts
Posted on 11/23/19 at 9:29 am to
quote:

this thread reminds me of a teenage girl complaining about the floor mats of her BMW that daddy bought her for graduation.



I didn't write the article and I'm not complaining. As I stated in earlier in the thread, my takeaway was that Cam won a championship with a worse defense. If you see it as complaining, that's an issue with you.
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
26615 posts
Posted on 11/23/19 at 9:30 am to
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If Aranda doesn’t fix the problems on defense, the ones he can fix this late in the season anyway, they will come back to bite us in the arse at the worst possible time.



Because of the time between the SECCG and the first playoff, the defense should do alright in that first game.

The 2nd game is where we will strughle.
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72489 posts
Posted on 11/23/19 at 9:35 am to
Former Tigers like Jacob Hester said LSU has been forced to play more zone defense than ever before because man defense is too taxing if LSU’s offense is going to insist on these multiple two-minute scoring drives.

all that bs has been debunked here with actual TOP numbers basically being even on both sides of the ball AND the plays per game
Posted by 00 Tech Grad
My homestead, AL
Member since Nov 2009
10694 posts
Posted on 11/23/19 at 9:43 am to
Highest priority needs to be getting 3-deep 4 and 5-star recruits on the D line.
Posted by geauxdaddy
Hendersonville, TN
Member since Nov 2009
558 posts
Posted on 11/23/19 at 9:45 am to
So many out of work D-1 cords on this board.
Posted by zeebo
Hammond
Member since Jan 2008
5193 posts
Posted on 11/23/19 at 9:51 am to
Statistics properly tortured will confess to anything.

Our schedule has been the toughest in the country. The numbers are meaningless the defense will be plenty good enough.
Posted by Roaad
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 11/23/19 at 9:57 am to
Every big run by Speedy Gonzales in the Ole Miss game was caused by Delpit biting on the OL misdirection.

Queen filled the correct gaps.

It is just that those gaps took him out of the play, because. . . misdirection.
Posted by Father Time
Member since Nov 2019
11 posts
Posted on 11/23/19 at 9:57 am to
Poor tackling, angles, and players not being in place to make a play are all valid concerns. All of those issues lead to big plays against the defense.

You chose to bring up 3 and outs. LSU's defense has more 3 and outs this year than UGA, Bama, Auburn, and A&M(all of them are ranked top 25 in total defense). LSU is top 20 in 3rd down and 4th down defense. There have only been three occasions this entire season that an opposing team has scored twice without LSU scoring.

All of that tells me the defense does make plays when they need to. Still have work to do but a week later the sky still hasn't fallen. Relax and enjoy the game today.

Posted by TickledTiger
Down & Out
Member since Dec 2007
2837 posts
Posted on 11/23/19 at 9:57 am to
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Solo Cam
...spot on
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
16377 posts
Posted on 11/23/19 at 10:00 am to
So it takes a D1 DC to realize a tackle was missed?
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
14157 posts
Posted on 11/23/19 at 10:16 am to
The problem is that if we don’t win the SECCG, we are not guaranteed a playoff game. We don’t want to put our fate in the hand of the selection committee.
Posted by beauchristopher
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
65821 posts
Posted on 11/23/19 at 10:56 am to
This is why I wish people would quit crying about the defense.

They make the stops needed to mount a huge lead any ways.

I don’t want change to affect the most efficient offense I have ever seen.

Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
93646 posts
Posted on 11/23/19 at 11:13 am to
The 3rd and 4th and longs are more worrisome than the Ole Miss game IMO.
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
5898 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 6:08 am to
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Poor tackling, angles, and players not being in place to make a play are all valid concerns. All of those issues lead to big plays against the defense.

You chose to bring up 3 and outs. LSU's defense has more 3 and outs this year than UGA, Bama, Auburn, and A&M(all of them are ranked top 25 in total defense). LSU is top 20 in 3rd down and 4th down defense. There have only been three occasions this entire season that an opposing team has scored twice without LSU scoring.

All of that tells me the defense does make plays when they need to. Still have work to do but a week later the sky still hasn't fallen. Relax and enjoy the game today.





You totally confused what I said. I was very clearly not talking about how many three and outs LSU had on defense last year or this year. I said "Why is it that LSU's OFFENSE put up zero points, and had multiple three and outs last year, but the defense held Alabama's high powered offense under 30, while this year's defense barely held Ole Miss under 40, despite being on the field for LESS time?... Poor tackling, bad angles, you named it already. But people still make the same lousy excuses."

So you gave me a stat that has nothing to do with anything I said. The point I made was entirely about showing how little rest the defense had last year, and yet they were able to hold teams down, including Alabama, despite the fact that our offense did NOTHING against them last year.

And so, all of the people complaining that we "score too fast", and using that as the reason our defense has stunk it up most of the year, are not dealing in reality. They just seem to want to make themselves feel better, instead of calling a spade a spade.

what LSU does on third and 4th down defensively, is negated, when they allow so many yards on 1st and second down. They never stopped Texas in the second half, so where was the stop when we "needed" it? Who decides when a stop is needed? Unless you know, before the game, EXACTLY how many points it's going to take to win the game, you can't just pick and choose when a stop is needed. Every possession is critical, and LSU's offense SCORED when they needed to.

Almost the exact same thing happened against Alabama. The defense brought pressure in the first half and managed to hold Alabama down, but then they got really passive, and had ALMOST no stops in the second half. when the whole world knew they HAD to be in prevent with a little under two minutes to go, they allowed a long touchdown pass on the first play. Where was the stop when we "needed it" then? All you're doing is effectively saying that if LSU gets ANY stops on defense, at any point in the game, and we win, that our defense is getting stops when they need it.

With all due respect, that sort of rationale kind of de-legitimizes any thought of objective analysis, when you set seemingly limitless boundaries for what is acceptable play, before you've even begun the discussion.
This post was edited on 11/25/19 at 2:42 pm
Posted by rbdallas
Dallas, TX
Member since Nov 2007
10340 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 6:17 am to
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Poor tackling, angles, and players not being in place to make a play are all valid concerns. All of those issues lead to big plays against the defense.


TRUE!

Can their being on the field longer and more often lead to the opponent a few more points YES!

but does not excuse the poor tackling and positioning.

We also seem to play the 2nd halves to "not lose" instead of playing to win.....
like Aranda does not want to be blamed for a loss so he takes no chances and relies on the lead created by the offense.

compare our leads at half time w the difference in scores at the end of the games.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39103 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 6:53 am to
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If your day is ruined by an observation that any honest person can see, then maybe it's best not to participate in forum which may contain opinions and observations that don't align with yours.

How do you know my day was ruined, because I said I was sick and tired of people who are sick and tired of our (then) 10-0 team? Do you see the irony in your post?
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35362 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 7:39 am to
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Every big run by Speedy Gonzales in the Ole Miss game was caused by Delpit biting on the OL misdirection.

Queen filled the correct gaps.

It is just that those gaps took him out of the play, because. . . misdirection.
We had trouble against Arkansas in this as well without Delpit. The slo-mo showed how 3-4 players on defense chased a wr on a fake jet sweep leaving the rb unaccountad for.
Posted by Buga
Member since Dec 2013
1467 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 7:41 am to
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People are going to cover their ears while yelling “la la la” but the defense is a massive liability going forward.


Exactly. If it costs us a game then nobody is going to be defending it. I feel like LSU will either win a championship 45-42 or lose one 45-42. The latter will have people pulling their head out of the sand.
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
5898 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 8:35 am to
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How do you know my day was ruined, because I said I was sick and tired of people who are sick and tired of our (then) 10-0 team? Do you see the irony in your post?


No, actually, I don't see the irony in my post.

You said you were "sick and tired" of it. Most people who are sick and tired, would consider their day ruined. On top of that, you lashed out with name calling, as if someone insulted your mother.

All people are doing is making an observation. One that is rooted in FACT. It's one thing to disagree with someone who is factually wrong. But it's something else, entirely, to be offended by people who are pointing out the obvious and saying you are sick and tired of it.

Remind me, again, where you see the irony in what I said? In order for my words to have been ironic, I would have had to lose my cool and go on a name calling tirade, while telling you that I am sick and tired of people who don't talk about how bad the defense has been, and how I don't like name calling. Hypocritical would be another word for it.

I did none of that. It doesn't bother me if you want to ignore the obvious. I'm perfectly capable of enjoying a season and have, in fact, done so while simultaneously being able to make an honest observation of the team I root for. If you have to have blinders on to enjoy it, that's you, and I'm not telling you what to do with your own time. But when you get upset at others for making an observation that, again, is plainly obvious and true, then I'm going to call you out on it.
This post was edited on 11/25/19 at 8:41 am
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