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Revisiting Another LSU Football Coach Hiring/Firing—Brodhead, Stovall, Arnsparger
Posted on 10/20/21 at 9:20 am
Posted on 10/20/21 at 9:20 am
Excerpts from Brodhead's book Sacked about the Stovall firing and Arnsparger hiring. History is revealing. Some posted lately that everyone loved the Arnsparger hire. That wasn’t the case.
When Stovall called me at my home in Florida to express his views on my "we will win immediately" remarks to the Board of Supervisors, I knew there would be trouble in Red Stick city.
As I would soon find out, the football coach at LSU had historically ruled the roost, making all decisions relevant to his program. Former Athletic Director Carl Maddox was once overheard to say that he was Athletic Director of everything but football. Judging by my phone conversation with Stovall, he obviously hoped the new AD would continue the tradition.
Despite the predictions, I didn't hit town looking for a fight with Stovall. On the contrary, I had been handed two mandates by the Board of Supervisors upon accepting the job, and I needed Stovall's help to accomplish the one that read, "Make the LSU Athletic Department competitive." I was simply asking of Stovall what I would of all my coaches. He was to win.
(50)
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LSU had one last opponent to face on its 1982 regular-season schedule, its most bitter rival, Tulane University. The seventh-ranked Tigers were a twenty-four point favorite against the 3-7 Green Wave, but Coach Vince Gibson's bunch of rag-tags obviously hadn't read the latest line. When the dust settled, Tulane owned the biggest upset of the year, 31-28.
For some time, I had been experiencing doubts about Stovall's ability to make adjustments to his game plan once play was under way The Tulane game reinforced my suspicions. In fact, had I realized then that the Tulane game was to be a preview of many such nights to come during 1983, it would have been a long off-season. 53-54
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Also during the off-season, Stovall requested an extension on the two years left on his contract. Being a firm believer that contracts were extended only as a reward for monumental achievement, I opted to give Stovall a substantial raise instead. Despite the success of the Orange Bowl season, I had a few lingering doubts regarding Stovall's coaching abilities, and I wanted another year to watch him in action. 55
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...From that high point, the team began a precipitous nosedive from which it would never recover. Wharton, for one, wasn't enjoying the ride.
Immediately following the 21-13 loss to conference foe Kentucky which had been preceded by losses to Florida and Tennessee, Wharton ordered me to meet him in my office. Short of issuing a mandate, he made it very clear that he wanted something done to remedy the situation. I told him I wouldn't make that kind of decision in the heat of an emotional loss, and that the most prudent course of action would be to assume an evaluation mode, assessing the performance of the coaching staff on a week-by-week basis.
Two weeks later, following a 27-24 loss to Ole Miss in Jackson, I had seen enough. I began my search for a new head coach. 56
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I contacted Dick Vermeil, the successful coach-turned-TV-color-analyst, through his broadcast partner; Frank Glieber. Vermeil, who had claimed burn-out when he walked away from the Philadelphia Eagles a short time eariler, wasn't interested.
I contacted Mike White of the University of Illinois through his business manager. At White's prices, I wasn't interested.
I thought about contacting University of Maryland Head Coach Bobby Ross and several other prospects when I decided to pursue a comment which had been made to me by Bill Arnsparger, Assistant Head Coach and Defensive Coordinator of the Miami Dolphins, when I left that organization in 1982. He had asked me to keep him in mind if I ever had to make a change at LSU. 57
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How did he sell Arnsparger?
.. Under Arnsparger's guidance, the Giants were 7-28.
My standard response to anyone who quizzed me regarding this tarnish on his otherwise impressive resume was to fault the Giants organization, saying that Arnsparger hadn't been given enough time to build a winner. It's a good thing my friend Wellington Mara, the Giants' owner, didn't read the Louisiana papers, or he would have grown tired of assuming responsibility for Arnsparger's low winning percentage. Perhaps he would have understood that I wasn't about to let the second guessers stand in the way of a smooth transition from the old coaching regime to the new.
Besides, ten years had passed since then, and Arnsparger's record of accomplishments spoke for itself. Nine times in his eleven full seasons with Miami, the Dolphin defense ranked either first or second in the NFL in scoring defense.
I was proud of my selection, and I was confident that Arnsparger would provide the leadership necessary to turn the football program around. I had better be. The Good Old Boy Club at LSU, smarting from its first setback in decades--and at the hands of an outsider; no less--was busy tying my fate to Arnsparger's future won-loss record. Either he won, or I lost.
Some members of the media were also less than receptive to the new coach. Ron Higgins, a local sports columnist, had written the following bit of prose in anticipation that Arnsparger would be hired: "Brodhead, who once had a job promoting nails, would have an easier time selling thumb tacks than Arnsparger.
"The four problems with Arnsparger in an nutshell? He's too old (almost 57 years old); he's from Miami (fans will point to Brodhead's so-called Miami Connection), he's from the pros (LSU folks don't take kindly to a pro coach stepping into a college atmosphere) and he's not a proven major college winning head coach.
"If Brodhead wants to survive this ugly storm, he might consider shopping elsewhere for a head coach. Like at a major college."
Obviously, there wasn't going to be a run on red carpets to welcome Arnsparger, who was remaining with the Dolphins through the end of their season. I knew I had to do something. So I called my friends at ABC and asked for a favor. The Dolphins were appearing on a Monday Night Football broadcast the week after Arnsparger's appointment, and a few good words from Frank Gifford and "Dandy" Don Meredith would do wonders for my public relations campaign.
Not only were a few good words uttered from the booth, but praises were sung every time Arnsparger appeared on camera, complete with frequent mention of the LSU program he would take over at the end of the Dolphins' season. Lo and behold, the skeptics in Tiger Town were singing a different tune in no time.
The same favor was granted again during the Dolphins' playoff telecasts, and by the time Arnsparger arrived on campus in January, I had created a living legend. The biggest problem I would face from that point on was that not only had the public bought the hype, so had Arnsparger.
Sacked, by Bob Brodhead, 1987, 66-67.
When Stovall called me at my home in Florida to express his views on my "we will win immediately" remarks to the Board of Supervisors, I knew there would be trouble in Red Stick city.
As I would soon find out, the football coach at LSU had historically ruled the roost, making all decisions relevant to his program. Former Athletic Director Carl Maddox was once overheard to say that he was Athletic Director of everything but football. Judging by my phone conversation with Stovall, he obviously hoped the new AD would continue the tradition.
Despite the predictions, I didn't hit town looking for a fight with Stovall. On the contrary, I had been handed two mandates by the Board of Supervisors upon accepting the job, and I needed Stovall's help to accomplish the one that read, "Make the LSU Athletic Department competitive." I was simply asking of Stovall what I would of all my coaches. He was to win.
(50)
************
LSU had one last opponent to face on its 1982 regular-season schedule, its most bitter rival, Tulane University. The seventh-ranked Tigers were a twenty-four point favorite against the 3-7 Green Wave, but Coach Vince Gibson's bunch of rag-tags obviously hadn't read the latest line. When the dust settled, Tulane owned the biggest upset of the year, 31-28.
For some time, I had been experiencing doubts about Stovall's ability to make adjustments to his game plan once play was under way The Tulane game reinforced my suspicions. In fact, had I realized then that the Tulane game was to be a preview of many such nights to come during 1983, it would have been a long off-season. 53-54
************
Also during the off-season, Stovall requested an extension on the two years left on his contract. Being a firm believer that contracts were extended only as a reward for monumental achievement, I opted to give Stovall a substantial raise instead. Despite the success of the Orange Bowl season, I had a few lingering doubts regarding Stovall's coaching abilities, and I wanted another year to watch him in action. 55
************
...From that high point, the team began a precipitous nosedive from which it would never recover. Wharton, for one, wasn't enjoying the ride.
Immediately following the 21-13 loss to conference foe Kentucky which had been preceded by losses to Florida and Tennessee, Wharton ordered me to meet him in my office. Short of issuing a mandate, he made it very clear that he wanted something done to remedy the situation. I told him I wouldn't make that kind of decision in the heat of an emotional loss, and that the most prudent course of action would be to assume an evaluation mode, assessing the performance of the coaching staff on a week-by-week basis.
Two weeks later, following a 27-24 loss to Ole Miss in Jackson, I had seen enough. I began my search for a new head coach. 56
*******************
I contacted Dick Vermeil, the successful coach-turned-TV-color-analyst, through his broadcast partner; Frank Glieber. Vermeil, who had claimed burn-out when he walked away from the Philadelphia Eagles a short time eariler, wasn't interested.
I contacted Mike White of the University of Illinois through his business manager. At White's prices, I wasn't interested.
I thought about contacting University of Maryland Head Coach Bobby Ross and several other prospects when I decided to pursue a comment which had been made to me by Bill Arnsparger, Assistant Head Coach and Defensive Coordinator of the Miami Dolphins, when I left that organization in 1982. He had asked me to keep him in mind if I ever had to make a change at LSU. 57
**************************************
How did he sell Arnsparger?
.. Under Arnsparger's guidance, the Giants were 7-28.
My standard response to anyone who quizzed me regarding this tarnish on his otherwise impressive resume was to fault the Giants organization, saying that Arnsparger hadn't been given enough time to build a winner. It's a good thing my friend Wellington Mara, the Giants' owner, didn't read the Louisiana papers, or he would have grown tired of assuming responsibility for Arnsparger's low winning percentage. Perhaps he would have understood that I wasn't about to let the second guessers stand in the way of a smooth transition from the old coaching regime to the new.
Besides, ten years had passed since then, and Arnsparger's record of accomplishments spoke for itself. Nine times in his eleven full seasons with Miami, the Dolphin defense ranked either first or second in the NFL in scoring defense.
I was proud of my selection, and I was confident that Arnsparger would provide the leadership necessary to turn the football program around. I had better be. The Good Old Boy Club at LSU, smarting from its first setback in decades--and at the hands of an outsider; no less--was busy tying my fate to Arnsparger's future won-loss record. Either he won, or I lost.
Some members of the media were also less than receptive to the new coach. Ron Higgins, a local sports columnist, had written the following bit of prose in anticipation that Arnsparger would be hired: "Brodhead, who once had a job promoting nails, would have an easier time selling thumb tacks than Arnsparger.
"The four problems with Arnsparger in an nutshell? He's too old (almost 57 years old); he's from Miami (fans will point to Brodhead's so-called Miami Connection), he's from the pros (LSU folks don't take kindly to a pro coach stepping into a college atmosphere) and he's not a proven major college winning head coach.
"If Brodhead wants to survive this ugly storm, he might consider shopping elsewhere for a head coach. Like at a major college."
Obviously, there wasn't going to be a run on red carpets to welcome Arnsparger, who was remaining with the Dolphins through the end of their season. I knew I had to do something. So I called my friends at ABC and asked for a favor. The Dolphins were appearing on a Monday Night Football broadcast the week after Arnsparger's appointment, and a few good words from Frank Gifford and "Dandy" Don Meredith would do wonders for my public relations campaign.
Not only were a few good words uttered from the booth, but praises were sung every time Arnsparger appeared on camera, complete with frequent mention of the LSU program he would take over at the end of the Dolphins' season. Lo and behold, the skeptics in Tiger Town were singing a different tune in no time.
The same favor was granted again during the Dolphins' playoff telecasts, and by the time Arnsparger arrived on campus in January, I had created a living legend. The biggest problem I would face from that point on was that not only had the public bought the hype, so had Arnsparger.
Sacked, by Bob Brodhead, 1987, 66-67.
Posted on 10/20/21 at 9:33 am to timlan2057
Arnsparger used Stovall recruits then made his exit.
Archer couldn't recruit, (See George Eames), so he failed.
Then along came Curley and Dinardo.
History seems to indicate it was not a coaching problem but an Administration, lack of commitment, problem.
Emmert came and the problems diminished.
Archer couldn't recruit, (See George Eames), so he failed.
Then along came Curley and Dinardo.
History seems to indicate it was not a coaching problem but an Administration, lack of commitment, problem.
Emmert came and the problems diminished.
Posted on 10/20/21 at 10:20 am to Gus007
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Arnsparger used Stovall recruits then made his exit.
I disagree. The following players all started at LSU under Arnsparger.
Tommy Hodson
Sammy Martin
Brian Kinchen
Nacho Albergamo
Eric Andolsek
Rogie Magee
Wendell Davis
Karl Dunbar
Harvey Williams
Eddie Fuller
quote:
Archer couldn't recruit
No doubt that was his downfall. I think he was a good coach. Just didn't get the recruiting side. I think a probable good to great coaching career was short circuited by getting that type of gig at too big a place too early.
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Then along came Curley and Dinardo.
Curley was the valley.
Dinardo was the start of the climb but he peaked quickly. Some people incorrectly state the Saban brought the magic back to Tiger stadium, but that was actually Dinardo, that was his catch phrase when he came to LSU. He was the first guy I remember say LSU needed to recruit Louisiana better and started the process by snagging Kevin Faulk. He left unceremoniously but he started the process that Saban adjusted to be what it is now.
quote:
History seems to indicate it was not a coaching problem but an Administration, lack of commitment, problem.
It was a slow adjustment to the changing landscape of college football, the ESPN effect basically. It was a new world for college football and LSU was behind the curve on that.
Posted on 10/20/21 at 10:25 am to Gus007
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Then along came Curley and Dinardo.
I wouldn't lump those two together. Hallman was terrible his entire tenure and had absolutely zero redeeming qualities. Dinardo made some bad hires at the end but he seemed like a decent guy and a decent coach overall.
Posted on 10/20/21 at 10:36 am to Gus007
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Then along came Curley
All bc Favre beat FSU
Posted on 10/20/21 at 10:49 am to mdomingue
Prop 48 hurt Archer’s recruiting more than anything. Many forget the negative impact it had on both football and basketball recruiting. Most of the state’s top players were not eligible to play. He supplemented with a ton of out of state recruits. Many of them left for various reasons, others didn’t pan out.
Posted on 10/20/21 at 11:19 am to mdomingue
A lot of those guys were originally recruited by Stovall's staff and signed once Arnsparger came on. Arnsparger could coach but recruiting was no his strong suit....he hated it
Posted on 10/20/21 at 11:49 am to KiwiHead
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A lot of those guys were originally recruited by Stovall's staff and signed once Arnsparger came on. Arnsparger could coach but recruiting was no his strong suit....he hated it
Arnsparger was the best recruiter LSU has had until the arrival of Saban. Yes, he inherited a good base from Stovall, but he also recruited more and better players.
Arnsparger inherited 18 players who were subsequently drafted (since many more players were drafted back then, a comparable number would be 13 drafted and 5 UDAs). There were 9 top 100 picks (3 2nd rnd and 6 3rd rnd). These were recruited over 4 yrs.
In Arnsparger's three years, he also recruited 18 players who were subsequently drafted (equivalent of 17 drafted and 1 UDA today). There were 10 top 100 picks (3 1st rnd, 2 2nd rnd, 2 3rd rnd, 3 4th rnd plus 1 more who was just outside of 100). Again these higher draft picks were recruited only over 3 yrs.
It's a weird myth that Stovall was a better recruiter. Probably due to a lot of butt hurt.
Posted on 10/20/21 at 11:50 am to mdomingue
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Some people incorrectly state the Saban brought the magic back to Tiger stadium, but that was actually Dinardo, that was his catch phrase when he came to LSU.
Dude, everybody knows Dinardo brought back the magic. Before he didn't. That's exactly what needs to be done once more. We need to bring Dinardo back in for a couple of seasons to restore the magic. Dinardo was undefeated in bowl games, including winning the Independence bowl TWICE! The first of those coming in that initial campaign, defeating the greatest college football coach of all time! As a matter of fact, Dinardo is undefeated against Nick Saban. Looks to me like the decision on our next HC is an easy one to make. Make the call Woody! Bring back the freaking magic part duex.
Posted on 10/20/21 at 11:55 am to michael corleone
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Prop 48 hurt Archer’s recruiting more than anything.
I agree with this. The educational system just wasn't prepared for it and led to a lot of bad feelings. Don't know, but I suspect it was a big reason for Arnsparger leaving as he would have seen it coming. Archer was just too young and inexperienced to deal with something this big while learning to be a head coach.
Posted on 10/20/21 at 1:10 pm to MLCLyons
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Hallman was terrible his entire tenure and had absolutely zero redeeming qualities.
NOT defending Hallman's coaching or methods, but he inherited the absolute nadir of talent at LSU (5 drafted players, a 2nd, 3 3rds, and a 6th). He was the one who had to begin the healing of relationships with high schools. Brought in some talent (3 1st, 3 2nd, and 3 3rd). To his credit, he and his staff continued to recruit for LSU until Dinardo showed up. As a contrast Dinardo did everything he could to sabotage Saban, who had to start from scratch when he arrived. So while it was bad, at least he left the program he inherited in a little better shape.
Posted on 10/20/21 at 1:11 pm to timlan2057
Brodhead made some great hires when he was at LSU. If they would have let him do his job. LSU would have had that football Championship in late 80's early 90's instead of 2003.
Posted on 10/20/21 at 1:17 pm to Indiana Tiger
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Arnsparger was the best recruiter LSU has had until the arrival of Saban. Yes, he inherited a good base from Stovall, but he also recruited more and better players.
He took the businessman's type approach to recruiting and not the glad-handing good ole boy one. If Florida doesn't lure him away to be AD, we likely win the NC in 1987. I mean, Mike Archer coached that team to the best season LSU had had in 20 years up to then.
Arnpsarger is the best coach we ever had not named Nick Saban. He may have been a better Xs and Os guy than Nick.
Posted on 10/20/21 at 2:39 pm to Indiana Tiger
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NOT defending Hallman's coaching or methods, but he inherited the absolute nadir of talent at LSU (5 drafted players, a 2nd, 3 3rds, and a 6th). He was the one who had to begin the healing of relationships with high schools. Brought in some talent (3 1st, 3 2nd, and 3 3rd). To his credit, he and his staff continued to recruit for LSU until Dinardo showed up. As a contrast Dinardo did everything he could to sabotage Saban, who had to start from scratch when he arrived. So while it was bad, at least he left the program he inherited in a little better shape.
Hallman deserved to be let go, but he deserves some of the credit for Dinardo's immediate success. Hallman left the program in better shape than when he found it.
Had Hallman not continued to throw the ball in the 2nd half against Auburn, who knows, he might have made it at LSU for a couple more years or even longer.
Funny how one afternoon can change so many people's lives.
Posted on 10/20/21 at 3:08 pm to Gus007
Eames was the guy in a wheelchair..I had a Speech class with him at LSU Summer of '67..didn't strike me as particulary bright or articulate, but he was a nice guy rather quiet in class.
Posted on 10/20/21 at 3:16 pm to Gus007
quote:
Arnsparger used Stovall recruits then made his exit
Stovall didn’t sign better players than Arnsparfer.
quote:
Archer couldn't recruit
Worst we had in the modern era.
quote:
Then along came Curley and Dinardo
Each was better than Archer.
Review the guys we put in the pros after Charlie Mac’s classes until Saban took over. Look at where they were drafted. Arnsparger’s signees measure up very well. He may not have liked to recruit, but he brought some studs in.
This post was edited on 10/20/21 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 10/20/21 at 3:19 pm to Indiana Tiger
quote:
It's a weird myth that Stovall was a better recruiter. Probably due to a lot of butt hurt.
True
Posted on 10/20/21 at 3:23 pm to Indiana Tiger
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I agree with this. The educational system just wasn't prepared for it and led to a lot of bad feelings. Don't know, but I suspect it was a big reason for Arnsparger leaving as he would have seen it coming. Archer was just too young and inexperienced to deal with something this big while learning to be a head coach.
Archer’s wife Barbara wanted him home at 6 o’clock,m. He wasn’t a recruiter. He didn’t evaluate talent, he recruited from the recruiting lists back in the day.
Emfinger sold him on Texas talent that wasn’t SEC types and that did him in. He signed a lot if Texas busts.
Posted on 10/20/21 at 3:30 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Arnpsarger is the best coach we ever had not named Nick Saban. He may have been a better Xs and Os guy than Nick.
100%
arnsparger did a great job here, but left to be ad at uf.
he recruited well, coached well and won ball games. i also think he woulda won a natty in 87.
Posted on 10/20/21 at 5:21 pm to Indiana Tiger
I can tell you from personal experience. My brother played from 86 - 89 and his recruitment was handled almost exclusively by Pete Jenkins. I think my brother said that Arnsparger maybe spoke to him for 10 minutes and it was business like. He said that many of the other players had the same experience. You went to Arnsparger. It was rare if Arnsparger came to you ( Harvey Williams and Eric Hill).
It was a different world back then. LSU always got most of the Louisiana talent and most of that talent was not necessarily skill guys. Plus those guys WANTED to play for LSU they were local or in state and had grown up going to the games like Rodrigue and Andolsek and to a lesser extent Tommy Hodson. Guys like Barbay were told by their Dad's that they were going to LSU. Some like the Nicky Hazard already had a brother starting on the team.So the job was a little easier back then as well. Recruiting was not the spectacle it is now with kids having press conferences with the three hats. Back then you called in your commitment and made sure your national letter of intent got there on time....Usually the Sunday before.
It was a different world back then. LSU always got most of the Louisiana talent and most of that talent was not necessarily skill guys. Plus those guys WANTED to play for LSU they were local or in state and had grown up going to the games like Rodrigue and Andolsek and to a lesser extent Tommy Hodson. Guys like Barbay were told by their Dad's that they were going to LSU. Some like the Nicky Hazard already had a brother starting on the team.So the job was a little easier back then as well. Recruiting was not the spectacle it is now with kids having press conferences with the three hats. Back then you called in your commitment and made sure your national letter of intent got there on time....Usually the Sunday before.
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