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re: Really think about Les Miles. And how amazing LSU won despite him.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 7:11 am to Scoob
Posted on 6/19/24 at 7:11 am to Scoob
Good post scoob i!am a miles fan ,at 74 I lived through Cholly to sofar Les had his own genius ways of doing things and they mostly worked the gambling was mostly done when he didnt think his team could win in overtime !
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 7:32 am to Covingtontiger77
I understand the Les hate, it ended really badly. But even if you take away his wins, LSU has had 15 seasons where they won 10+ games. Les has 5 despite the wins being removed. No one else has more than 2. We've played for the national title 5 times in school history. Les has 2 of them.
LSU doesn't just put on the uniforms and be promised 9+ wins every season. Pre Saban we were a joke for 90% of our history. Les Miles' era is the most successful in school history and yet fans are mad that it wasn't better? Seriously? If Les was the coach people want to pretend he was, LSU would have went right back to the Dinardo standard.
LSU doesn't just put on the uniforms and be promised 9+ wins every season. Pre Saban we were a joke for 90% of our history. Les Miles' era is the most successful in school history and yet fans are mad that it wasn't better? Seriously? If Les was the coach people want to pretend he was, LSU would have went right back to the Dinardo standard.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 7:46 am to Brettbest308
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He didn't put pussy LSU defenses on the field !
You must have forgot about Mallveto.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 7:50 am to Covingtontiger77
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This Les lawsuit has me reminiscing about his tenure.
He really really was a poor poor coach.
Who he was at Kansas was the real Les.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 8:09 am to Covingtontiger77
Downvoters, please list what Les was good at.
Coaching what exactly?
Scheming?
Coaching a specific position group of specialty?
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What is the primary measurement of a football coach?
Winning.
Miles was goofy, but won more than any other at LSU. I value facts more than opinion. Several have posted about his record. Scoob's take below is meaningful .
Saban left in 2004, and didn't have a good recruiting class lined up that year.
ALL of Saban's players were gone by 2009; LSU's record after that:
2010 11-2
2011 13-1
2012 10-3
2013 10-3
Miles did "ride Saban's coattails" in respect that he inherited a solid program, but he kept the machine humming after Saban left.
Coaching what exactly?
Scheming?
Coaching a specific position group of specialty?
__________________
What is the primary measurement of a football coach?
Winning.
Miles was goofy, but won more than any other at LSU. I value facts more than opinion. Several have posted about his record. Scoob's take below is meaningful .
Saban left in 2004, and didn't have a good recruiting class lined up that year.
ALL of Saban's players were gone by 2009; LSU's record after that:
2010 11-2
2011 13-1
2012 10-3
2013 10-3
Miles did "ride Saban's coattails" in respect that he inherited a solid program, but he kept the machine humming after Saban left.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 8:32 am to Covingtontiger77
Clock management guru
Posted on 6/19/24 at 10:30 am to ELTIGRE55
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Had some Heisman caliber running backs though.
I won’t deny Les that. There were several teams he had with absolute stables of well trained beasts.
Les came to LSU the year I graduated in BR so he had a good spot in my heart. But it ran its course and got ugly, and once the dust settled it seemed like he just didn’t have “it” that other great coaches do. Or he did and lost it along the way. Saban coming back in to the SEC was when Les should have gone to Michigan.
This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 10:31 am
Posted on 6/19/24 at 10:35 am to 904
quote:You're a clown.
Remember when Miles decided it was a good idea to toss-dive Fournette into the teeth of the Alabama defense over and over again for 31 yards total? I remember. Rinse, wash, repeat.
You have no credibility.
LSU never ran a "toss dive."
You just repeat stupid shite that you hear.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 10:43 am to chadr07
Please name one coach that can beat his overall record at LSU in football! 
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:04 am to nicholastiger
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Miles was just old school and tough hard nosed football still won him games because LSU generally dominated in the trenches
This. He relied on talent and physicality alone to “grind them out.” That changed in a couple of years when Saban went to Alabama. The style of play and our line play, offensive and defensive, was consistently dominated by them.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 1:05 pm to Covingtontiger77
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Really think about Les Miles. And how amazing LSU won despite him.
LSU won because he was an ace recruiter. Granted that before NIL recruiting at LSU was easy but he brought in a ton of talent that no other coach not named Saban brought along.
He also hired good assistant. Bo Pelini's first stint at LSU was excellent. He was able to retain Jimbo Fisher from Saban's staff.
The kids responded to him and played their heart out for him. He was also a good program manager and left the program in excellent shape.
His problem was he could never adopt to the changing offensive landscape of college football.
He also could not recruit nor develop a QB. The run first pro style offense devolved into a run only one dimensional offense that drove everyone nuts.
But in all fairness, his greatest problem was that our fan base could not get over the fact that he was no Nick Saban and what Saban was doing at Alabama diminished what he accomplished at LSU.
Trying to follow the GOAT is one thing, following him and then having to live with him in the same division is yet another.
Kalen DeBoar will soon find out!
Posted on 6/19/24 at 1:07 pm to KWL85
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Miles was goofy, but won more than any other at LSU. I value facts more than opinion. Several have posted about his record. Scoob's take below is meaningful .
Saban left in 2004, and didn't have a good recruiting class lined up that year.
ALL of Saban's players were gone by 2009; LSU's record after that:
2010 11-2
2011 13-1
2012 10-3
2013 10-3
There's context to this that sometimes left out, but I'll leave that for another post, some folks have included it - but let's just do the results as you say and I'll give Les this, not every coach could have done this here.
As I said earlier in this thread, I'm amazed he did and somewhat surprised he did as well as he did....but he did and there is a bottom line to that one has to give him some credit for.
Now I will never buy that the act was a clever Columbo-like ruse by a calculating genius that duped us all for his amusement. I could buy that he thought that's what was going on, but as I said, I've seen him behind the wall and the Les there was pretty much the one we always saw.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 1:20 pm to Covingtontiger77
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Downvoters, please list what Les was good at.
You and OP and countless others see things in simple either or terms, “great or sucks”. You do not comprehend degrees or nuance. The other problem with this mentality is you think everything is exactly the same at every stage and neither improve or decline.
Miles was a good coach, not a great one. Was was a very good recruiter and did (mostly) hire a good staff. It was mostly his hires that were Os staff in 2019.
What separates the great from the is the ability to sustain. Mikes clearly fell off from his peak which ended circa 2012-2013. He also coached in the same division as the greatest to ever coach of all time who built the greatest dynasty in the history of CFB. He was able to hang with them at first but eventually could not. His floor was 8-4 but post 2013 his ceiling was looking like 9-3. Obviously not up to standards set 2003-2011. It was time to move on from him but those that think he “ran it into the ground” are being dishonest with yourselves. All you need to do is look at 202-2021 and see how much worse things can get.
In the post WWII era Miles is at worst the 4th best coach in LSU history behind Saban, Deitzel and Mclendon. While extremely frustrating at times his overall era should be better appreciated than the standard ungrateful message board fan.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 4:05 pm to Salviati
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You're a clown.
You have no credibility.
LSU never ran a "toss dive."
You just repeat stupid shite that you hear.
You're right, honestly. I rewatched some of the 2015 LSU - Alabama game and didn't see much of us simply just tossing the ball straight back to Fournette hoping he could make a play nearly as much as I thought. I misremembered.
What I did get see though was a whole lot of big sets in the I-formation running right into the teeth of the vaunted Alabama front 7, snapping the ball with 1 second left on the playclock ( if we got it off in the first place, but thankfully the 2nd straight delay of game saved a safety), and generally just looking confused and uncreative on offense during the biggest game of the season.
I've watched or listened (radio) to every second of LSU football for 25 years+. I'm usually not a pessimistic guy, don't expect to see double-digit wins every year, and won't hesitate to give credit where credit is due. But I also thing it's fair to say that Miles was a top-10 recruiter and motivator in the easiest state to recruit in with the largest budget for assistant coaches which gave us a nice floor, while also being probably a bottom 30 head coach when it came to strategy, scheme, and game management on the sidelines, shaking out to an average to above average CFB head coach depending on the year.
There's a reason why he was never seriously considered for the NFL and why he failed so miserably at Kansas after, not to mention all of those skeletons hiding in the closet.
This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 6/19/24 at 4:11 pm to Covingtontiger77
100%
This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:19 am to ELTIGRE55
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To compare Miles to Saban
Literally no one did that.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 4:57 am to Run DMC
quote:Dumb and dumber
Les and Jimbo about got in a fist fight
Posted on 6/20/24 at 5:16 am to Covingtontiger77
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I have spoke to a quite a few of his former players and I ask them all the time about their recruitment by him.
They say he spoke and was exactly as he put forth in the media- aloof and disconnected.
False according to most.
Les had many shortcomings but most will tell you, not the same guy he was on camera
Posted on 6/20/24 at 5:27 am to Covingtontiger77
I was always baffled at the casuals who thought LSU was crazy for firing Les. Those same types also said LSU was crazy for firing O
Posted on 6/20/24 at 8:46 am to Red Stick Tigress
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4. chasing females not named Kathy Miles.
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