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re: My worst fears about Ed Orgeron seem baseless now
Posted on 9/5/18 at 3:33 pm to Spotswoode
Posted on 9/5/18 at 3:33 pm to Spotswoode
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My worst fears about Ed Orgeron seem baseless now
My worst fears are that O is 100% dependent on his coordinators because he can’t scheme or gameplan either side of the ball and that he will botch the DC hire once Aranda leaves and his OC won’t be able to identify, sign, and develop his own QB out of high school (sound familiar) and that side of the ball will suffer once the Urban legend (swidt) leaves.
Also, I fear that his recruiting tactics when not held in check by a competent and respectable HC could leave the LSU program in a disastrous position if Saban ever feels threatened enough and sets out to take down this program.
The Miami game does absolutely nothing to ease any of those concerns
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Posted on 9/5/18 at 3:38 pm to Spotswoode
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This guy might make it to a second contract as LSU coach.
His current contract shouldn't be amended unless he has a wildly successful season (11-1 regular season with a NY6 bowl appearance). The Miami game was an outstanding start, but 8-4 (or worse) is still entirely possible.
This team got up to play for one game. Now they need to do it for the rest of the year.
Posted on 9/5/18 at 3:39 pm to Spotswoode
There is no depth on oline.
Ingram is a big loss.
There is no experienced depth on dline.
They can lose 5 or 6 games.
They could go 15-0.
Ingram is a big loss.
There is no experienced depth on dline.
They can lose 5 or 6 games.
They could go 15-0.
Posted on 9/5/18 at 3:42 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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The Miami game does absolutely nothing to ease any of those concerns
Well aren't you just a ray of sunshine today?
Posted on 9/5/18 at 3:58 pm to atltiger6487
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They'll be nowhere near the top 10 by season's end.
Look at their schedule, they'll be in the ACC-CG again at the end of this season. If they just so happen to win on a fluke, a 12-1 Miami sure could make it to the playoffs.
Posted on 9/5/18 at 3:58 pm to Spotswoode
I swear everytime I come here, I think the fan base is bipolar. If he loses to South Eastern then it will be doom and gloom. If he beats Alabama, then he is gods gift to humanity. The thing about being raised in an all bama household is I was taught growing up that there is no REALLY bad team in the traditional S.E.C. and every week two s.e.c teams match up its anyones game.
The thing is the stance on the coach is really about is it a step towards a national championship (what the school works) or a step away from it. My thought was at the time we fire les miles, there were only maybe 3 or 4 coaches that proven better coaches and unless we were sure to get another coach that moved us closer there was no point in firing miles and certainly for someone who was a proven failure of a HC in another school. Thats also why I think he is the wrong answer unless he can make it all the way to the play off and there isn't a clear indication of that yet.
Being someone who grew up in Tuscaloosa and saw Bama's dark ages (between Gene Stalling's) to Saban. The thing that I know well is that a good program is one that consistently performs well , rather than inconsistently. Alabama in their dark ages 10-3 records under every coach between Gene Stallings and Saban. They also had losing seasons under those same coaches . There were sanctions and other contributing factors, but the period to me is reminiscent of LSU now.
When Bama Hired Saban, he had proven record as a turn around coach. Offered him the highest salary every to be offered to a college coach (and even most nfl coaches), gave him the ability to walk away at any time and gave him the key to the entire program something never had been done anywhere. Thats exactly what LSU has to do to get coaches with that potential
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The thing is the stance on the coach is really about is it a step towards a national championship (what the school works) or a step away from it. My thought was at the time we fire les miles, there were only maybe 3 or 4 coaches that proven better coaches and unless we were sure to get another coach that moved us closer there was no point in firing miles and certainly for someone who was a proven failure of a HC in another school. Thats also why I think he is the wrong answer unless he can make it all the way to the play off and there isn't a clear indication of that yet.
Being someone who grew up in Tuscaloosa and saw Bama's dark ages (between Gene Stalling's) to Saban. The thing that I know well is that a good program is one that consistently performs well , rather than inconsistently. Alabama in their dark ages 10-3 records under every coach between Gene Stallings and Saban. They also had losing seasons under those same coaches . There were sanctions and other contributing factors, but the period to me is reminiscent of LSU now.
When Bama Hired Saban, he had proven record as a turn around coach. Offered him the highest salary every to be offered to a college coach (and even most nfl coaches), gave him the ability to walk away at any time and gave him the key to the entire program something never had been done anywhere. Thats exactly what LSU has to do to get coaches with that potential
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This post was edited on 9/5/18 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 9/5/18 at 4:04 pm to Hat Tricks
More cheerleaders putting on their lace covered cheerleader panties after just one win. 
More MA's with their "It's OK if we lose as long as we play Good" against Auburn.
More MA's with their "It's OK if we lose as long as we play Good" against Auburn.
Posted on 9/5/18 at 4:19 pm to Spotswoode
Well said. Give Coach O a chance. We were so close to being 11-2 last year. People forget. Hopefully the ball bounces our way some this year. The schedule is brutal.
Posted on 9/5/18 at 5:53 pm to lsu2006
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It's not bashing when someone makes a claim that the team was always well prepared last season, and then someone shows them how that is completely wrong.
Its rather difficult to prepare a team for a hard fought close game with no FG kicker.
You can't prepare the lines with no bodies. I think he did pretty good when you consider the number of freshmen that were forced to play. It took them a couple of games, maybe until half the Auburn game, to adjust.
Lets see how it works out. I'm just hoping we are healthy when we play Ms St and Ga. I want an opportunity to play them at our best then we will know.
Posted on 9/5/18 at 5:55 pm to Spotswoode
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Spotswoode
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I was against the hire, because I thought Orgeron would not have the bandwidth to keep all of the processes running. I figured he would be reactive - rushing in to fix one problem while three others fester. This has not proved to be the case.
He has shored up every obvious problem we had. The game preparation has seemed solid both last season and last week. Recruiting has been very good. Some will point to the low ranking last year, but I think that was due to the arbitrary nature of the rankings - they just did not rank Louisiana kids high last year. We'll see if they're right. And he is pulling in a highly ranked class this year.
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This guy might make it to a second contract as LSU coach. I would have bet heavily against that.
I still think the decision to hire him was bad, but Aleva might be getting lucky, and so might we.
Posted on 9/5/18 at 8:09 pm to semjase
Give it a rest Semjase, one of the main reason's people celebrate so much after one win is that, if Miami would have won, nitwit's like you would been on here ranting and raving after ONE LOSS!!
Posted on 9/5/18 at 8:43 pm to RichardCranium
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Road game against a very good top 10 team will tell us where we are at.
That would be our second consecutive...….
Just saying.
Posted on 9/5/18 at 8:59 pm to hophead
You mean he did his job? Good, now win the sec West or gtfo...
Posted on 9/5/18 at 9:04 pm to Spotswoode
I'd hold off on any long-term judgement on how O's doing.
I was comfortable at the time that he'd keep things running as long as he had Miles' framework, but that it would unravel going forward.
The team looks good, but these juco and tranfer players aren't a real fix, they're bandaids. We will need another kicker again next year, we get 1-2 years out of the other transfers. It would be nice if we had another back close to Brossette.
But yeah, there's no disputing that the team did look solid and composed against Miami.
I was comfortable at the time that he'd keep things running as long as he had Miles' framework, but that it would unravel going forward.
The team looks good, but these juco and tranfer players aren't a real fix, they're bandaids. We will need another kicker again next year, we get 1-2 years out of the other transfers. It would be nice if we had another back close to Brossette.
But yeah, there's no disputing that the team did look solid and composed against Miami.
quote:After last season, let's wait and see who we get, before we tout that group.
And he is pulling in a highly ranked class this year.
Posted on 9/5/18 at 9:08 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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The Miami game does absolutely nothing to ease any of those concerns
Nothing?
It certainly should do something
Posted on 9/5/18 at 9:22 pm to Spotswoode
He had a calm demeanor all thru camps. I noticed a difference at media days. Well calm for his standards. I think his enthusiasm & grit can keep this team focused. He seemed laser focused imo. No hesitation on his decisions. He knew how big this game was. Taking them to stadium before and hyping them up was impressive. (See Sec inside LSU vs Miami). Long season and a lot can happen. He still got the deck stacked against him with this schedule but he’s a big time motivator but he’s got older calm technical coaches that can teach fundamentals & technique. Teams like Oklahoma & UW are teams that have done that for years w/o top 5 classes. McMahon, Sullivan (very impressed w/route running), Cregg have years of experience teaching at the highest level. E&DA are calm dudes that can scheme. Yes E can scheme been doing it a long time. So O can be that rah rah guy who btw also is known to be one of the best coaching Dline. Which is pretty important n the Sec. I like this staff. Anyone still ? The McMahon hire ?
Posted on 9/5/18 at 10:04 pm to Spotswoode
Yessir, I'm hoping we all are getting lucky.
Posted on 9/6/18 at 1:46 am to jgriffith
The basics:
-You need to give Orgeron 3 full seasons to make a long term determination. This is the start of season 2;
-This schedule is a killer so at this stage 7-5 would be a satisfactory outcome. There has to be some patience and realism;
-Orgeron is never going to be Saban—in fact in a lot of ways he’s the anti-Saban. But that can work for him and for LSU. There are plenty of Saban wannabes, who parlay their slick media personas and pie-in-the-sky promises into fat paychecks at big schools but never deliver. O is authentic and like Sweeney he can build on that with kids who want a family atmosphere at a place with a rich football heritage rather than be another cog in a joyless machine
-You need to give Orgeron 3 full seasons to make a long term determination. This is the start of season 2;
-This schedule is a killer so at this stage 7-5 would be a satisfactory outcome. There has to be some patience and realism;
-Orgeron is never going to be Saban—in fact in a lot of ways he’s the anti-Saban. But that can work for him and for LSU. There are plenty of Saban wannabes, who parlay their slick media personas and pie-in-the-sky promises into fat paychecks at big schools but never deliver. O is authentic and like Sweeney he can build on that with kids who want a family atmosphere at a place with a rich football heritage rather than be another cog in a joyless machine
Posted on 9/6/18 at 1:59 am to New City Champ
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-You need to give Orgeron 3 full seasons to make a long term determination. This is the start of season 2;
-This schedule is a killer so at this stage 7-5 would be a satisfactory outcome. There has to be some patience and realism;
Horrible. This is way better than a 7-5 team and should be graded as such, even with this schedule
10-2 is the bar
This post was edited on 9/6/18 at 2:01 am
Posted on 9/6/18 at 3:05 am to RichardCranium
Getting blown out doesn't really matter in the long run, (Auburn/Georgia 40-17). Except if you fail to recover, Georgia SEC Champs, National Championship game. I am not saying that is what we will do.But that doesn't mean that your coach is crap, either.
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