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re: My thoughts about the Coach O hire... (long)
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:48 pm to WilliamTaylor21
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:48 pm to WilliamTaylor21
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Ask yourself: IF LSU had won vs Florida, would you be nearly as upset about hiring Coach O?
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Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:49 pm to VesperiaLSU
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I see you still refuse to think logically and keep hung on your emotion.
You must have me confused for someone that either (i) wanted O as HC, or (ii) is trying to convince himself and others that O as HC is a good idea.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:52 pm to Mo Jeaux
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We hired a DL coach that no other school wanted and whose only HC experience was a failure.
That was also TEN YEARS AGO...
Ten years ago Les Miles was considered elite, Joe Paterno was adored, and Mack Brown was one of the best coaches in America...
How are those three doing now? (Yeah I know Joe is dead).
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:54 pm to Tigertown in ATL
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The teams was put in a position to win v. Florida and the players didn't get it done.
Couldn't you say that against Auburn?
The players were in position to win that game. Yet only one person gets blame. shite, Les was getting blamed for the UF loss.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:54 pm to WilliamTaylor21
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That was also TEN YEARS AGO...
and what has he done since?
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:56 pm to WilliamTaylor21
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How are those three doing now?
Well, we know how they're doing, because we have recent metrics to use in an analysis. You support a test case at what many of us thought was a preeminent program just a few days ago. That's idiotic.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:56 pm to rmnldr
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Excuses, excuses, excuses. Y'all are the same type that said that the players made the Mississippi State game close under Miles.
It always goes up to the top. Win or loss.
Florida is the #6 defense in the nation giving up 291.6 YPG. LSU racked up 423 against them which is about LSU's average (425.7) YPG including cupcake opponents.
LSU is the #12 defense in the nation giving up 323.0 YPG. They held Florida to 270 yards. That is 82.7 below Florida's average offensive YPG including cupcake opponents.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:56 pm to WilliamTaylor21
Good post.
Coach O was not at the top of my list, but he wasn't way down the list for me, either. I am still in a wait and see frame of mind, but I have a feeling he might do well. There is a lot to be said for a coach who can have his players emotionally ready to play each week, which O seems to have accomplished, especially in that 5 game stretch at the end the season (and A&M with only 5 days rest & prep).
I agree about Florida - every coach, even including Saban, will have a day when the players will make enough critical mistakes to lose a game in which they were clearly the better team. He had the players mentally and emotionally ready to play in every game he coached, including Florida, IMO. I did not feel that they lost the Florida game due to lack of emotion or lack of effort. I know, many of O's victories were against teams that were not as good this year as we had thought they would be. Still, LSU beat them handily, as they should have (unlike many of Miles' excruciating wins against inferior competition). Now, we will see if his ability to get his players ready each week was just a "fresh start" anomaly for this year, or if it will continue next year. I hope it persists, because that ability plus good recruiting can win a lot of games for you.
Coach O was not at the top of my list, but he wasn't way down the list for me, either. I am still in a wait and see frame of mind, but I have a feeling he might do well. There is a lot to be said for a coach who can have his players emotionally ready to play each week, which O seems to have accomplished, especially in that 5 game stretch at the end the season (and A&M with only 5 days rest & prep).
I agree about Florida - every coach, even including Saban, will have a day when the players will make enough critical mistakes to lose a game in which they were clearly the better team. He had the players mentally and emotionally ready to play in every game he coached, including Florida, IMO. I did not feel that they lost the Florida game due to lack of emotion or lack of effort. I know, many of O's victories were against teams that were not as good this year as we had thought they would be. Still, LSU beat them handily, as they should have (unlike many of Miles' excruciating wins against inferior competition). Now, we will see if his ability to get his players ready each week was just a "fresh start" anomaly for this year, or if it will continue next year. I hope it persists, because that ability plus good recruiting can win a lot of games for you.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:59 pm to tigburls
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4th and goal. Last play of the game. After a timeout the RB doesn't know which way the play is going? Miles would have been drawn and quartered for this. It is inexcusable and very much a reflection on the coach.
Why did the 10 other players know which way the play was going? You think Coach O huddled those 10 up and told #5 he wasn't allowed to hear the play?
No.
If you recall, he ran onto the field pumping up the crowd and clearly got lost in the moment.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:00 pm to WilliamTaylor21
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Now ask yourself: Did Coach O lose us the game vs Florida?
Was he the one who gave up a 98 yard touchdown?
Was he the one who fumbled inside the five yard line?
Was he the one who botched the hold on a field goal?
Was he the one who fumbled on a kickoff inside our 30?
Was he the one who went the wrong way on the last play?
Playing with passion and high energy will only get you so far.
In the end, focus and execution matter just as much, if not more so.
We lost the Florida game because the players lost their focus when it mattered most, which ultimately falls on the HC. We'll see if O learned from that.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:02 pm to WilliamTaylor21
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Now ask yourself: Did Coach O lose us the game vs Florida?
Was he the one who gave up a 98 yard touchdown?
Was he the one who fumbled inside the five yard line?
Was he the one who botched the hold on a field goal?
Was he the one who fumbled on a kickoff inside our 30?
Was he the one who went the wrong way on the last play?
Nope.
Posts like this are precisely why Orgeron will never be fired.
We used to blame Miles for sloppy, unfocused play. Apparently Orgeron is immune from such criticism.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:06 pm to WilliamTaylor21
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Ask yourself: IF LSU ....
Now "Ask Yourself" - would Coach O be the new HC of LSU is he wasn't from LA, or if he wasn't already on the LSU staff?
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:12 pm to Goldrush25
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Think about this statement and try to juxtapose that with this idea that we're supposed to be a top 5 program.
"It is by no means the worst hire in the world."
Miles was fired because there was supposed to be this commitment to excellence, and now the best thing we can say about this coach is he's not the worst hire in the world?
You act like LSU is the first program to hire a successful interim coach. Recently USC (Helton), Oregon (Helfrich, and Clemson (Swinney) all hired interim coaches.
Do you think their fans were saying "This was the best hire!"? I guarantee you they weren't.
- Helton has USC in the top 10 right now and has a 12-3 conference record.
- Helfrich went 11-2, 13-2 (went to the National Title), and 9-4 before this year. Even with a terrible year this year he still had a 39-16 record at Oregon.
- Swinney has turned Clemson into a national power.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:15 pm to WilliamTaylor21
I am over the disappointed of not getting the shiny new toy. O however can be blamed for the abortion of a game. He even stated himself he didn't prepare them properly mentally after that bullshite fight that happened during warm ups.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:15 pm to WilliamTaylor21
Coach O does 2 things
Recruit
Motivate
If we come out and play like shite, Miss tackles, fumble and are just generally sloppy as hell, thats on him.
Recruit
Motivate
If we come out and play like shite, Miss tackles, fumble and are just generally sloppy as hell, thats on him.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:18 pm to WilliamTaylor21
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And when the best player in America comes to you and says "I can play", you play him.
Miles and O did this and how did it work out?
The coach should know its better for the team to have the best hurt player in america on the bench.
The coaches make the decision. There are very few players that can do this(Jordan, Lebron, etc), not Fournette. He played hurt in the Auburn game and it cost us
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:22 pm to rmnldr
We lost that game because Dave Aranda's defense gave up a 98 yard touchdown. FIRE DAVE ARANDA!!!! 
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:23 pm to Jones
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The coach should know its better for the team to have the best hurt player in america on the bench.
This. And if the events unfolded as described by Hanny, it is even more objectionable.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:24 pm to geauxtigahs87
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We lost the Florida game because the players lost their focus when it mattered most, which ultimately falls on the HC. We'll see if O learned from that.
Did the defense, that basically gave 172 yards of offense if not for the poor coverage by one individual player in man coverage on one play also lose their focus or did our HC only fail to address the offensive player's "focus"?
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:41 pm to LSU82BILL
He's the head coach. He's responsible for the entire team's focus.
Who the hell cares which side of the ball they were on?
Who the hell cares which side of the ball they were on?
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