re: My thoughts about the Coach O hire... (long)

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The team was put in a position to win v. Florida and the players didn't get it done.

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I personally agree with this way of thinking, but I'm curious if some posters that wanted to place past failures at Miles feet, are now singing a different tune because it's a new coaching staff.

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Was he the one who gave up a 98 yard touchdown?
Was he the one who fumbled inside the five yard line?
Was he the one who botched the hold on a field goal?
Was he the one who fumbled on a kickoff inside our 30?
Was he the one who went the wrong way on the last play?

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When you have to say stuff like this, you might not have a great coach.

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Bama averages winning games 40-11... We lost 10-0, and played them tougher than any team in America. With a bit more creativity in the offensive play calling, we likely win that game. A new offensive coordinator will bring that creativity

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In other words, we should have scored points.
Lack of creativity wasn't the problem in that game. Lack of creativity was a symptom of the real problem, which was poor cost-benefit, risk, and SWOT analysis by the coaching staff.
O played right into Sabans hands.

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You, on other hand, have a very serious agenda, and that is to defend O at all cost, even to the point of being disingenuous

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I don't have a agenda. Orgeron wan't the guy I wanted to see LSU hire. But when somebody says that what an interim coach does "isn't remotely similar to running a program", that is an ignorant statement that needs to be called out. Not remotely similar? The interim coach DOES run the program in the exact same way a head coach is expected to run the program with the only significant difference being the ability to offer contracts and form his own staff which obviously can't be done as it would impede the university's ability to hire a permanent head coach should they not hire the interim coach.

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some posters that wanted to place past failures at Miles feet, are now singing a different tune because it's a new coaching staff.

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I don't think people ever really blamed Les for mistakes similar to what we saw vs Florida though. The only real "player" problem that was put on Les was when the team came out flat or unmotivated.

No one was blaming Les when LF fumbled twice vs MsState. People were blaming LF, which I'm sure he would tell you was warranted.

Or when Malachi was dropping so many passes earlier this year, people put that on Malachi. Again, I'm sure Malachi would say his criticism was warranted.

There are times when a coach deserves the criticism (the clock management vs Auburn) and there are times when the players deserve the criticism (UF).

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I can't help that you can't comprehend this reality. Everyone who has actually been in charge of an organization knows it though.

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I have been THAT guy. I have been THAT guy with responsibility for more employees than there are in the LSU football program and guess what,....when I was transferred from one UPS center to another, as the center manager I was expected to go on a conference call every single morning and account for the service failures, safety results and production numbers of my center just the same as the other managers who had been in their operations for years. And before that, when I was a supervisor, I was expected to go on that conference call for my manager when he was on vacation and do his job just like he would - including discharging employees. I've been the temporary guy and I've been THE guy. The problem is in your rhetoric. If you want to say it isn't exactly the same, fine. But to say it isn't "remotely similar" or that it is "completely different" is not "the reality.

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No one was blaming Les when LF fumbled twice vs. MsState.

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There were plenty of people blaming Miles for those fumbles.

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Or when Malachi was dropping so many passes earlier this year

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Again, there were quite a fre people that blamed Miles and the offensive coaching staff.

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There are times when a coach deserves the criticism (the clock management vs Auburn) and there are times when the players deserve the criticism (UF).

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Last year against Old Miss. coming out of a timeout, late in the game, around the Rebels one yard line, Fournette and Harris (one or the other) ran the wrong play, resulting in LSU not getting into the endzone and turning the ball over to Mississippi. Miles got roasted on here.

I agree with you that there are times when the players need to man up and accept their fair share of the blame. My only question was how many people that wanted to burn Miles at the stake last year, are now willing to give the current coaching staff a pass on the exact same kind of busted play.

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6.) Charlie Strong - Texas ($5,200,000)
7.) Kevin Sumlin - Texas A&M ($5,000,000)
8.) Gus Malzahn - Auburn ($4,725,000)
9.) Hugh Freeze - Ole Miss ($4,700,000)
13.) Les Miles - LSU ($4,300,000)
17.) Bret Bielema - Arkansas ($4,145,000)
18.) Butch Jones - Tennessee ($4,100,000)

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And 1-5? Because 4 of them are either in the playoffs or have a viable shot at the playoffs

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So coach O can't be blamed for the Florida loss? It was all the players' fault right?

Okay well don't give him any credit for any of the victories, either. The players did it.



Do me a favor, make me a list of all the things Coach O did wrong in the Florida game.

I'll wait.

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Idiot. Twice in the 5 yet DW DOESNT SEE THE FIELD WITH GUICE FUMBLING THE FORST TIME? Too big of a moment for him. HE LET ENSMINGER MAKE THE CALL TWICE! Once on the full back dive and once on leaving Guice in on both of these drives.

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Idiot. Twice in the 5 yet DW DOESNT SEE THE FIELD WITH GUICE FUMBLING THE FORST TIME? Too big of a moment for him. HE LET ENSMINGER MAKE THE CALL TWICE! Once on the full back dive and once on leaving Guice in on both of these drives.

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Hold up, when you say DW are you referring to Darrel Williams? Just want to be clear on this...

i think coach O played guice didnt bench guice. if he benched guice maybe it was good reason guice does not know his right from his left. he went the wrong way twice when all guice had to do was actually run left which was the call on last play. simple mistake im sure but it was that easy to beat florida and lsu players were just not up for that game at all, did not want it. staff included, the offense looked like exact replica of offense vs bama a couple weeks prior