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re: Men’s Basketball Program
Posted on 3/22/24 at 9:23 am to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
Posted on 3/22/24 at 9:23 am to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
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Bro we really live in a world where North Texas has a better coach and team than us. In no world should LSU be losing to UNT in round 1 of the NIT.
I’m quite worried about next year. Barring any big OOC names visiting the PMAC I expect it to be a ghost town most of the year.
I’m still going to every game as per usual, but damn man. Last season when the loudest sound in the place was the squeaking of shoes that shite was depressing, and I don’t want to experience that game after game again.
For better or worse, I've been around long enough now to be a fan through several coaching regimes. The feeling I have about the program now is that same I felt going in to Johnson's 4th season and Jones' last season. Just no real basis to believe things were going to get much better and that a coaching change was likely on the horizon. I guess maybe the difference was we had at least one great season under Johnson and Jones, until the very last season, wasn't "bad", just underachieving. Here it has just been an immediately decline to irrelevance and apathy. Part of that is simply the nature of the game today. Coaches didn't lose are large portion of their roster upon a coaching change. So one can go from good to bad in a flash. But from his very first press conference I felt McMahon seemed overwhelmed by this job. He seems to be a good guy who stands for the right things. But I have little confidence he's the right guy for this particular job in this particular era of college basketball.
I'll be one of the few in the PMAC next season, like always. And come June or July some degree of optimism will return because the reality is things can drastically change in one offseason. But we've kind of reached a point where there are two arguments for the struggles. One group places the blame SOLELY on a lack of talent. Well, that's a big part of HC's job. So if he can't get requisite talent then that is an issue. The other argument is that he has talent comparable to much of the SEC and the coaching is simply lacking. I tend to fall a little more in that circle. I don't think LSU overall has notably worse players than South Carolina, Florida, Texas A&M, Mississippi St., etc. I just think their coaches generally can get more out of what they have.
So for me (and I don't really count) this would be a "prove it" or move on season. If LSU has a season like Florida or South Carolina did this year, great! That will show there is something there to keep building upon. And the fans will show up. But if come March of next year LSU's not even in the discussion for an NCAA Tournament bid it would be time to move on because the program would simply be spinning it's. LSU is great in football, baseball, now women's basketball. So it's not like LSU CAN'T be great in men's basketball. It's a matter of finding the right guy to make it happen.
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Posted on 3/22/24 at 11:22 am to inadaze
You are listing players who played in the 1970s. Most of them played basketball when the SEC was still segregated. Name me some players in the last 10 years who we had a realistic chance of recruiting for LSU who played high school basketball in Louisiana.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 11:31 am to Alt26
The McMahon defenders can talk all they want about him coming into a very bad situation and that is why he has not produced. All of that is true but none of it addresses the fact that he was the wrong coach at the wrong time. We needed a shark to bring us back to the promised land after letting one go for no reason.
McMahon is a boring sheep and his teams reflect who he is. No passion, no inspiration, no getting them ready for big games. Inability to adapt either in game or during the season when what you are trying to do doesn't work. I have never seen a guy so bad with his rotations or in game time outs.
We were lucky to win 9 SEC games and I doubt we meet that mark next season. Sure we don't know what that team consists of yet but who wants to come and play for this guy?
McMahon is a boring sheep and his teams reflect who he is. No passion, no inspiration, no getting them ready for big games. Inability to adapt either in game or during the season when what you are trying to do doesn't work. I have never seen a guy so bad with his rotations or in game time outs.
We were lucky to win 9 SEC games and I doubt we meet that mark next season. Sure we don't know what that team consists of yet but who wants to come and play for this guy?
Posted on 3/22/24 at 12:24 pm to Alt26
And the sanctions put on our program and hanging over our head completely made recruiting and transfers null and void. To suggest that McMahon could walk in, have to completely gut the roster because the private refused to tell our administration which players he did or didn’t pay, and have to construct a roster, convince kids to play for LSU knowing we’re going to be put on probation, at the end of April, with less than a 100 days before the kids need to be enrolled for classes in August, you’re dumber than Lloyd and Harry put together
Posted on 3/22/24 at 12:28 pm to cmacatl13
Make believe as usual
Posted on 3/22/24 at 12:29 pm to Tom Bronco
quote:Man, you're all over the place in this thread.
The McMahon defenders can talk all they want about him coming into a very bad situation and that is why he has not produced. All of that is true but none of it addresses the fact that he was the wrong coach at the wrong time. We needed a shark to bring us back to the promised land after letting one go for no reason.
Wade wasn't the next Coach K. It became clear Oats owned him, and was going to continue to. We rarely, if ever displayed continuity on offense, and certainly never from year to year. There was no "system" here, nothing you could see in a moment's glance. Not like Oats, not like Pearl, not like a lot of good coaches. Wade would go get a group of players (apparently in inappropriate ways), toss them out there, and if someone was good he was the offense that year.
Sure, he was good at adapting to what he had, and he apparently knew how to work the schedule to get a decent NET rating.
But he was what he was. A guy who could get us to the first weekend, then get whacked when they ran up against a good coached team with some talent. Our deepest run was the year he was suspended the first couple games of the postseason.
Whether McMahon is the right guy or not, he's the one that was willing to come. He didn't come cheaply, so it was pretty evident there wasn't a whole lot of excitement for coaches to come here.
Despite the wailing, there's a decent core coming back, some things to work with (if we can retain them). I want to see retention, and see some decent recruiting and portal pickups, and my hope for next season is basically what Miss State did this year; 20-ish wins, get in, somewhere between 8th and 11th seed. You got Ward as a scorer with 3 pt range, and Reed with some size and the ability to slash and drive. Both those guys seemed to come on as the year progressed, so it looks like we might see some development here. Williams also picked it up as the year went along.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 12:30 pm to Tom Bronco
So who is the right coach at the right time??
Posted on 3/22/24 at 12:37 pm to Scoob
quote:Wade was in his 30s when he coached here. Bruce Pearl is almost 25 years older than Wade and Oats is close to 10 years older.
There was no "system" here, nothing you could see in a moment's glance. Not like Oats, not like Pearl, not like a lot of good coaches
You guys are completely ridiculous.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 12:40 pm to Tom Bronco
You say he was the wrong coach at the wrong time. Who was the right coach? And you completely gloss over what time it was. FBI investigations and possible sanctions to MBB and football. Every player gone. You really think you were going to land the coach you want with that going on? LOL. Just because a coach doesn't turn it around from that in yr 1 or 2 doesn't make them a bad coach. He will have an opportunity to build on the improvement he made in year 2. Really year 1 if you are reasonable. He's shown he can recruit HS players. He now needs to kill it in the portal. But all of this hand wringing after 2 years. Trying to compare his situation to Trent Johnson and JJ is a joke. Trying to compare his year 1 to other coaches hired at the same time is a joke. Apples and oranges. I am not a Mcmahon defender. I would say the same for any coach put in that position. Not getting them ready for big games? beat Kentucky and SC on the road without their leading scorer and starting PG. A basket away from beating FL on the road. Huge comebacks on the road at Auburn and TN. Won his first road game at Vandy. Wade was 0-3. And with teams loaded with NBA talent. And if Cook was eligible from day 1, or he and Collins and Mwani don't get injured, we might have been in the NCAA tournament. But you don't like him because he's boring. Whatever. He will get his opportunity to answer these issues next season. All the rest of this is just useless noise.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 1:06 pm to cmacatl13
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have to completely gut the roster because the private refused to tell our administration which players he did or didn’t pay,
Hahahaha.
Bruh, you never disappoint with your fanfic.
You are by far the best poster on here that lies his arse off. Congrats I guess.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 1:09 pm to Scoob
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Wade would go get a group of players (apparently in inappropriate ways), toss them out there, and if someone was good he was the offense that year.
Yeah man, thats why his teams were constantly in the upper echelon of offense efficiency every year. He just let the players play streetball. No coaching or strategy at all. Just roll the ball out and go.
Its like some of yall, well most of yall really, didnt/sont even watch lsu basketball when wade or mcmahon or any coach was/is here.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 1:24 pm to rutiger
Like I've said. All of this is just noise. There should be no animosity towards Wade. He was doing what he needed to do to compete with the blue bloods. He just f**ked up. But it is also a fact that all players had left before Mcmahon was hired. So he started with nothing. Why these 2 truths can't exist is amazing.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 1:34 pm to mcspufftiger7
“But it is also a fact that all players had left before Mcmahon was hired.”
This is factually incorrect. Besides Days and Eason every player on the roster was here when McMahon was hired. Mcmahon was hired on March 21st, two players announced their plans to enter the portal 2 days later but one of em, Miller, ended up staying. None of the other players even announced they would enter the portal until over a week later after they had met with McMahon about staying. The portal didn’t even open until weeks later.
This is factually incorrect. Besides Days and Eason every player on the roster was here when McMahon was hired. Mcmahon was hired on March 21st, two players announced their plans to enter the portal 2 days later but one of em, Miller, ended up staying. None of the other players even announced they would enter the portal until over a week later after they had met with McMahon about staying. The portal didn’t even open until weeks later.
This post was edited on 3/22/24 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 3/22/24 at 1:35 pm to mcspufftiger7
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He just f**ked up
This is where we differ, he really didnt frick up at all. He was extremely unlucky with the wire tap and our administration caved.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 2:04 pm to Tom Bronco
The only player on that list who played at all in the 1970s was Parish.
No. Literally none. If I went back that far, I could include some NBA legends. But I'm referring to players that realistically could have played with LSU. Some of those guys from way back had no realistic shot because of the racial realities around that time. We could talk about it as a broad hypothetical or something, but in analyzing the program "as is" it's not really applicable. Because those problems were more beyond the basketball program.
I did include more recent players (but you went way further back than 10 years, hence the list did as well). It starts with more recent players, then sort of gradually goes back through the decades. I didn't include any current college basketball players. But currently, Texas A&M has two -- Tyrece Radford and Solomon Washington.
Ja'Vier Francis (Houston) and Tylan Pope (Nevada) both have good rebounds per minute numbers. At the least, both could be role players that come in especially for defense and rebounds.
I threw that list together because you highlighted some of the most high-profile basketball players in LSU history while putting a cap on the potential for the program based on the past. It is not a comprehensive list. Just a starter thrown together to illustrate that rosters of the past could have been a lot better. Texas and Mississippi are factors too.
Then look at the Arkansas basketball program. Arkansas has been better program in recent decades. It's not because of better in-state talent. When you look at that 1993-94 Championship roster, only one of their top players was from Arkansas (Corliss Williamson). The others were from nearby states. E.g., Scotty Thurman, from Ruston, Louisiana.
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Most of them played basketball when the SEC was still segregated.
No. Literally none. If I went back that far, I could include some NBA legends. But I'm referring to players that realistically could have played with LSU. Some of those guys from way back had no realistic shot because of the racial realities around that time. We could talk about it as a broad hypothetical or something, but in analyzing the program "as is" it's not really applicable. Because those problems were more beyond the basketball program.
I did include more recent players (but you went way further back than 10 years, hence the list did as well). It starts with more recent players, then sort of gradually goes back through the decades. I didn't include any current college basketball players. But currently, Texas A&M has two -- Tyrece Radford and Solomon Washington.
Ja'Vier Francis (Houston) and Tylan Pope (Nevada) both have good rebounds per minute numbers. At the least, both could be role players that come in especially for defense and rebounds.
I threw that list together because you highlighted some of the most high-profile basketball players in LSU history while putting a cap on the potential for the program based on the past. It is not a comprehensive list. Just a starter thrown together to illustrate that rosters of the past could have been a lot better. Texas and Mississippi are factors too.
Then look at the Arkansas basketball program. Arkansas has been better program in recent decades. It's not because of better in-state talent. When you look at that 1993-94 Championship roster, only one of their top players was from Arkansas (Corliss Williamson). The others were from nearby states. E.g., Scotty Thurman, from Ruston, Louisiana.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 2:10 pm to rutiger
Well f**ked up and got caught. However you want to view it doesn't really matter to me. Still not a reason to despise him. Or Mcmahon.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 2:11 pm to Tom Bronco
Scotty Thurman "The Shot" 1994 National Championship Game
That shot essentially sealed the win over Duke.
That shot essentially sealed the win over Duke.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 2:20 pm to Madking
And at that time LSU forced Mcmahons hand. Wade refused to be honorable and have the common decency to at least inform our compliance office who he did or didn’t pay. There was only 5 he didn’t pay and the new staff got rid of 3 for being locker room cancer
Posted on 3/22/24 at 2:23 pm to cmacatl13
Which 3?
Posted on 3/22/24 at 2:29 pm to Pnels08
Not naming names but I am from GA and we lost a headcase from GA as soon as Coach Hamilton walked into the locker room
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