re: Men’s Basketball Program

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I shouldn’t do this but I’m gonna help you out. Did you notice some of your posts were removed from this thread? You can’t name drop coaches and pretend like you were in meetings like you’re doing. You’re going to get banned and while I wouldn’t miss your lying arse I still want to give you an honest heads up. Stop your BS little boy, trust me.

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The dude is a complete moron. I literally called him stupid, not ignorant in another thread - or maybe this one as well.

You could literally give this guy court records, absolute verified information and he will completely ignore it.

Am I supposed to deny my ties and direct information inside the program? I’ll invite all of you to the 1st tip off club event next year and let Coach Hamilton verify everything I say. We’re playing 36 tomorrow in City Park. Bye Felicia

You’re right man, do whatever you want.

Here’s a fact I know for certain. Wade is gone and ain’t coming back. Stop living in the past man. Get over it, support LSU and the kids who represent us.

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frick this nonsense and also your thread title sucks.

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Thank you.

You’re the one who keeps bringing him up.

My point by mentioning our all time greats was to show that our basketball program is only known because of those players. They were the peaks but the valleys have been much more prominent. The very plain fact is that we do not have a tradition of winning basketball. I am a very old man and have been watching since the Maravich days. I attended LSU when Pete did.

All of those players who might have lived in Louisiana for some time, and no I did not go out and research your list, didn't play for LSU for a reason. I know for instance that Karl Malone did not play here because he couldn't make the grades. The others were either paid to play elsewhere or wanted to play at a basketball prominent program with better facilities than LSU had. That's the point, we can't even recruit the best players that come out of Louisianan, not to mention the ones that are outside of the state. Until some coach finds a way to bring in the talent every year we will be very mediocre.

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Maybe he has a desire to play in the tournament

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he is a starter on a team that went to the the tournament. But idk, maybe blowouts are less heartbreaking, so he would rather go somewhere he’ll get blown out in the tournament.

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(And the fact that you thought the players I mentioned played prior to integration makes your claims on those players illegitimate and absurd.)

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Well you threw a very long list of players at me and I admitted I didn't research them. To tell you the truth I was very surprised at some of the names on that list so thank you for alerting me to that fact. I, however, am not sure what claims other than the fact that they all played a long time ago was so absurd. Whether they played in the 60's, 70's or 80's and beyond does not really have anything to do with our current situation.
You want a deep team rather than big stars. I'm with you on that although a big star can definitely make the games infinitely more interesting.

So do you think McMahon is going to bring in those type of players and be a success? Why do you think we didn't recruit all of those players from the past? Why do you think we will now?

And finally I can't let your dismissal of our greats go on by. Petit wasn't that hot because he played in a segregated SEC? Wow! He was an all star in the very integrated NBA every year he was in the league and was MVP of the entire league one year. A different era of basketball? Yes, ever decade is a different era of basketball with changing rules, fitness techniques etc. But to suggest that the greats of prior eras wouldn't be great today while taking advantage of the modern style of play? You are the one who is absurd now? And you dismiss any team that didn't at least make a final four? We have only made the final four I think three times in the entire history of the program. Maravich would have led us to the NCAA in his senior year when we finished second in the SEC to Kentucky but the rules back then only let the league regular season champ play for the NCAA championship. Shaq got us to the Sweet Sixteen which is no small thing for LSU.

And finally back to the original reason for my post. Except for the Dale Brown and Will Wade eras we have never consistently gone to the tournament and if we do that is a huge accomplishment. I personally think McMahon will never come close. As an LSU fan, not a Wade or McMahon fan, I would love that to happen and I don't care who the coach is.

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Whether they played in the 60's, 70's or 80's and beyond does not really have anything to do with our current situation.

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Relative to this thread, talking about teams of the past, yes, it does. Use your imagination some. Think of it in terms of the butterfly effect or something. If you include some of those players on past teams, maybe others unnamed in this thread, you probably have some really good teams. Then you have effects from that. Other potential recruits around the nation start taking notice. More coverage, higher attendance, more more money coming in, etc. The success starts building on itself.

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You want a deep team rather than big stars. I'm with you on that although a big star can definitely make the games infinitely more interesting.

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Yeah, to some extent. Every team wants to sign the 5-star players and have players on the All-American teams. But there are a lot of other variables. Who helps the program more? The 5-star who plays one frosh season? Or the recruit that was rated lower, but stays 4 years, develops and improves, and has more of an impact on the program overall?

As far as what will happen going forward, I really do not know.

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Petit wasn't that hot because he played in a segregated SEC?

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I didn't say anything close to that.

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We have only made the final four I think three times in the entire history of the program.

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4 -- 1952-53, 1980-81 and 1985-86 with Dale Brown and some well-rounded teams, and 2005-06.

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Shaq got us to the Sweet Sixteen which is no small thing for LSU.

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No, he didn't. None of those teams made it beyond the second round. One lost in the first round.
You see, you're too preoccupied with one individual player. Think about how you said the false exaggeration. A TEAM gets to the Sweet Sixteen. Not one player.

Now, let's go back and compare Shaq to a big guy who plays on a team that did actually just make it to the Sweet Sixteen. DJ Burns with NC State.
In the ACC Championship Game, a major part of North Carolina's game plan on defense was to double Burns. So Burns became a distributor and ended up with 7 assists, and had a field goal percentage of 75%. He also shot exactly 75% in the win vs. Oakland to get to the Sweet Sixteen.
Shaq never shot for that high of a percentage in the NCAA Tournament. Shaq did have some great games (he even was 12-12 on free throws in his last game vs. Indiana). What I'm saying is that it makes for more efficient basketball when a big guy is able to become a good passer to other players who are able to finish when defenses start overplaying.