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Posted on 1/11/11 at 11:04 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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5th attempt. This is great. I love the attention.
How the hell does bringing up the crappy state of the U$C program "give "you attention?"
Posted on 1/11/11 at 11:09 pm to DocBugbear
Posted on 1/11/11 at 11:25 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Bottom line on the OP:
-Meechigan flew a private jet to BR and interviewed Miles (check)
- Offer a contract(courtesy offer or competitive offer) with the possibility that he would or would not accept (check)
-Les rejects the offer and stays with LSU (check)
-Meechigan now is observed as a second class program to LSU, they appear to have lost out on another coach forcing them down the list toward their 3rd or 4th option, and the ONLY positive publicity will be in favor of LSU's status and Les' loyalty (check... oops)
HIGHLY UNLIKELY. They REALLY wanted Miles. He was the perfect fit because of his big name, success at LSU, strong recruiting for rebuilding, "Michigan man" and his classic big 10+2 style.
Sorry that "rumor" doesn't hold water, and tell Many I said what's up!?!?
-Meechigan flew a private jet to BR and interviewed Miles (check)
- Offer a contract(courtesy offer or competitive offer) with the possibility that he would or would not accept (check)
-Les rejects the offer and stays with LSU (check)
-Meechigan now is observed as a second class program to LSU, they appear to have lost out on another coach forcing them down the list toward their 3rd or 4th option, and the ONLY positive publicity will be in favor of LSU's status and Les' loyalty (check... oops)
HIGHLY UNLIKELY. They REALLY wanted Miles. He was the perfect fit because of his big name, success at LSU, strong recruiting for rebuilding, "Michigan man" and his classic big 10+2 style.
Sorry that "rumor" doesn't hold water, and tell Many I said what's up!?!?
This post was edited on 1/11/11 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 1/12/11 at 12:21 am to LSUTANGERINE
Tangy, really, is this all you've got?:
Posted on 1/12/11 at 12:28 am to LSUTANGERINE
Absolute crock of shite....the Michigan job was Les' if he had said yes....there is no doubt that the Michigan AD was hoping to have Les on the plane with him when he returned to Ann Arbor.....he did NOT fly down to Baton Rouge to go home without him....
Posted on 1/12/11 at 5:20 am to LSUTANGERINE
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Many say if Les was offered, it was an offer UM knew he would turn down. ANd the offer was given as a courtesy because they had their man already. Thoughts?
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"many" didn't say that - YOU said that ....
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Nope, I posted a link from one
So, ONE saying that is many?
And it's 1 random person's opinion.
I'm sure if "many" said it, you can very easily provide a few links since you must have seen it in many places, right?
Nah, you're not trolling at all.
This post was edited on 1/12/11 at 5:21 am
Posted on 1/12/11 at 5:43 am to MondayMorningMarch
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Tangy, really, is this all you've got?:
Rumors are all anyone other than Miles, his agent, and UM AD have.
Posted on 1/12/11 at 5:44 am to shel311
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So, ONE saying that is many?
And it's 1 random person's opinion.
I'm sure if "many" said it, you can very easily provide a few links since you must have seen it in many places, right?
Nah, you're not trolling at all.
Off to work. Post them tonight
Posted on 1/12/11 at 5:45 am to LSUTANGERINE
so we've got like 12 attempts to make this into a USC thread. Keep em' coming girls. Vert typical of MANY LSU fans here. Thanks for the attention.
Posted on 1/12/11 at 5:50 am to LSUTANGERINE
As I stated before...
Michigan could have offered Les a contract, however, it could not have been to the terms of Les's liking. Therefore, Michigan could have then flown down to do a face to face to see if they could talk Les into the contract. Les has a nice contract with LSU, he is a Top 5 paid head coach and he has a nice buyout.
Michigan probably was not going to meet his current salary instead offering incentives that would allow him to reach his salary, stuff like Big 10 championships, Bowl Games, etc. When he has a contract that already stipulates him becoming highest paid coach in America for National Championship games and raises for SEC Championships (I believe).
Then look outside his coaching pay, Les has a few local endorsements here in Baton Rouge that pay him well. Would he have gotten the same thing in Michigan?
Lots of speculation on my part, I do believe Michigan offered him a contract but it was below what Miles currently makes and provided them an out which Miles did not like.
Michigan could have offered Les a contract, however, it could not have been to the terms of Les's liking. Therefore, Michigan could have then flown down to do a face to face to see if they could talk Les into the contract. Les has a nice contract with LSU, he is a Top 5 paid head coach and he has a nice buyout.
Michigan probably was not going to meet his current salary instead offering incentives that would allow him to reach his salary, stuff like Big 10 championships, Bowl Games, etc. When he has a contract that already stipulates him becoming highest paid coach in America for National Championship games and raises for SEC Championships (I believe).
Then look outside his coaching pay, Les has a few local endorsements here in Baton Rouge that pay him well. Would he have gotten the same thing in Michigan?
Lots of speculation on my part, I do believe Michigan offered him a contract but it was below what Miles currently makes and provided them an out which Miles did not like.
Posted on 1/12/11 at 6:18 am to LSUTANGERINE
I always ask for stuff to get turned down. Most people do!
YAFI
YAFI
Posted on 1/12/11 at 6:24 am to DocBugbear
Miles spoke with Michigan AD because he was a personal friend.Miles has the best contract in college football and Michigan wasn't going to match it.Miles salary has to be in the top 5 salaries in college football.If he wins 10 games in a regular season, he gets a one year extention added. If he win the NC he has to be paid one dollar more than the highest paid college coach.Only a fool would leave a contract like that and Miles is not a fool like his critics.As Miles would say to the Negators, eat your heart out and I'm going to have a damn great payday.
Posted on 1/12/11 at 6:49 am to RummelTiger
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Then UM is retarded to offer someone, not to mention waste a shite-load of money flying planes around, to just make a 'courtesy' offer.
They don't owe Les anything - there's no point in making a 'courtesy' offer
This. IF that had really happened then this is why Michigan is Michigan right now. Horrible decisions.
Posted on 1/12/11 at 7:30 am to LSUTANGERINE
Maybe Michigan is just keeping good relations with Les...maybe they thought he would return to his alma mater for less money. Lot's of reasons just to meet with the guy. Maybe they did it to keep the Michigan faithful unified into backing one coach. As in..."Hey we tried to get Miles, but he didn't want us...let's all get behind Hoke." A little jet fuel is not a lot of money to unify a fan base. Just some thoughts.
Posted on 1/12/11 at 10:59 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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Off to work. Post them tonight
Bump
Posted on 1/12/11 at 11:04 pm to LSURulzSEC
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I started to post "Another Stupid Thread", but I liked "USC Sucks" better.
Posted on 1/12/11 at 11:26 pm to LSUTANGERINE
FWIW, I think that FreePress column is spot-on. Also, Chris Landry confirmed almost the exact same thing this evening.
I think Michigan and Lloyd's krewe wanted Hoke all along. They made a "courtesy" offer/visit to Miles to appease the faction of their fanbase that would riot if they didn't offer Miles, yet knew Miles wouldn't take the offer if it was equal to or less than what he was making at LSU.
I posted the theory a couple days ago, and I still stick to it ... I don't think Miles received a legitimate offer from Michigan in 2007 or 2011. And I'm not saying this to attack Miles, I really really like Miles ... I just think there's obviously some issues that Miles has with Carr and some of Lloyd's loyalists at Michigan that still have a lot of power. I don't think Miles has ever received a legitimate offer from Michigan. Of course there are people saying he got one this time, but if it was in the $3-$4 million range, that's a slap in the face to Miles and while tecnhically it is an offer, that is an offer than everyone knew Miles would not accept. To leave this situation at LSU, it was going to take more money/contract perks than what he is currently making at LSU. Miles and his family were not picking up shop after 6 years for the same or close to the same $$$ at a program in shambles where Miles is going to have a dogfight not only on the field but also in the politics of running the program.
Personally, I think Miles called Brandon's bluff by issuing to ESPN "Miles will accept if offered." It made Michigan look bad to some of it's fans when Hoke was hired. You've got some Michigan fans sitting around, saying "WTF...Miles wanted the job and you hired Brady-frickin-Hoke!" I also think it benefitted Miles in terms of his negotiations/perception with LSU admins and fans that he would go to Michigan if offered.
I think Michigan and Lloyd's krewe wanted Hoke all along. They made a "courtesy" offer/visit to Miles to appease the faction of their fanbase that would riot if they didn't offer Miles, yet knew Miles wouldn't take the offer if it was equal to or less than what he was making at LSU.
I posted the theory a couple days ago, and I still stick to it ... I don't think Miles received a legitimate offer from Michigan in 2007 or 2011. And I'm not saying this to attack Miles, I really really like Miles ... I just think there's obviously some issues that Miles has with Carr and some of Lloyd's loyalists at Michigan that still have a lot of power. I don't think Miles has ever received a legitimate offer from Michigan. Of course there are people saying he got one this time, but if it was in the $3-$4 million range, that's a slap in the face to Miles and while tecnhically it is an offer, that is an offer than everyone knew Miles would not accept. To leave this situation at LSU, it was going to take more money/contract perks than what he is currently making at LSU. Miles and his family were not picking up shop after 6 years for the same or close to the same $$$ at a program in shambles where Miles is going to have a dogfight not only on the field but also in the politics of running the program.
Personally, I think Miles called Brandon's bluff by issuing to ESPN "Miles will accept if offered." It made Michigan look bad to some of it's fans when Hoke was hired. You've got some Michigan fans sitting around, saying "WTF...Miles wanted the job and you hired Brady-frickin-Hoke!" I also think it benefitted Miles in terms of his negotiations/perception with LSU admins and fans that he would go to Michigan if offered.
This post was edited on 1/12/11 at 11:35 pm
Posted on 1/12/11 at 11:42 pm to JPLSU1981
The problem I have with that theory is a that, imo, it makes Michigan look worse to it's fans and the college football world in general, rather than better. Hoke looks like the 3rd choice. It looks like two, more successful and desirable coaches turned you down. I don't see how that is appeasing anybody. It looks like you swung and missed. And if anything, it's going to rile a lot of people up.
Posted on 1/12/11 at 11:57 pm to JudgeBoyett
Very true, but I don't think they were worried about what they looked like to the rest of the country. IMO they were worried about getting "their man" and what they would look like to Michigan people/alums in the process. They're a very divided fanbase right now and severely need everyone to get back on the "same page" so to speak. Of course, they don't realize that will never happen as long as guys like Carr are hanging around in the shadows and wanting to continue making decisions for the program that should be left to others. It's really not much different than the situation that Bowden/Tubbs had at Auburn with Lowder/Dye trying to call the shots.
Regardless, I think they have failed for the time being. The only thing that is going to bring them together is winning games. Hoke may or may not get that done, only time will tell.
IMO, Hoke will fail, and their next hire they will finally realize their mistakes in their previous two hires .. they will empty the bank and go after a Saban/Gruden/??? or someone who at that time is widely considered a slam-dunk winner grandslam hire.
Regardless, I think they have failed for the time being. The only thing that is going to bring them together is winning games. Hoke may or may not get that done, only time will tell.
IMO, Hoke will fail, and their next hire they will finally realize their mistakes in their previous two hires .. they will empty the bank and go after a Saban/Gruden/??? or someone who at that time is widely considered a slam-dunk winner grandslam hire.
This post was edited on 1/13/11 at 12:05 am
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