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re: Many around the program – and outside of it – compare the scheme Ensminger is implementing

Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:03 am to
Posted by LSUgrad08112
Member since May 2016
2925 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:03 am to
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LSU has quite a bit of NFL experience on staff that it has not had in the past. The O-line coach has a super bowl ring. The passing game coordinator had been in the NFL for a LONG time. LSU has more analysts than it probably ever has.

I don't think your comparison could possibly be more incorrect in trying to describe what LSU is doing or going through. Especially since the biggest differences seem to be the WR's and QB. That is where Sullivan is supposed to excel

And they have a whopping 1 year combined of OC experience under their belts. Sullivan seems like a phenomenal WR’s coach. Cregg seems like an awesome OL coach. And neither of them have relevant experience with playcalling, running offensive practices, or offseason installation. Not sure why you’d even respond to my post with a bunch of gleaming generalities about NFL experience. I’m sure you and the rest of the people in the athletic department are enamored by NFL experience and think it’s a fix-all but it really isn’t. It’s still possible to have valid concerns despite Cregg, Sullivan, and McMahon being on staff.

And FYI, this isn’t the NFL. And again, analysts don’t have anything to do with alleviating my concerns. I don’t question whether or not Ensminger can evaluate a defense. I’m sure he can do that very well. In case you didn’t catch it the first time, the problem will lie in Ensminger and Sullivan’s lack of detailed knowledge- and lack of understanding of “why” they’re doing what they’re doing- of the offense they’re trying to design.

But keep chugging away with the delusional propaganda, Derek. I’m sure the admin is paying you by the post so enjoy the $2 you just earned
Posted by HebertFest08
The Coast
Member since Aug 2008
6458 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:03 am to
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Would love to see LN on the boots though. Goodness he just gives us so many options.


Gives a ton of options.... the kid has to prove he can complete a pass and make the proper reads in scrimmages and the fall. Having a cannon, being able to move and being big are great attributes to have as a QB. I’m not a big proponent of dual threat guys, but if he can beat out Brennan then you got to roll with him.

I just want someone who can play a good all around QB, you don’t have to be all world to win. None of that game manager shite either. Make the throws to make a first down, hit open guys, make correct reads consistently and have the brains to run the offense. None of this dumb downed shite b/c they can’t run it. That falls on the rest of the offense to though.
Posted by clamdip
Rocky Mountain High
Member since Sep 2004
20060 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:05 am to
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Which GREAT past offense will LSU run if they think EVERYBODY is lying about what LSU is doing?
this is a sad but predictable strawman from you.
Posted by Whataburger
95.60 Longitude 30.20 Latitude
Member since Jan 2018
740 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:06 am to
Gotta love off-season optimism
Posted by smil3432
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2016
378 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:10 am to
I really hope the offense is this good,
But it’s seems a little naive to think that they can implement what the saints, or rams do just by studying them.
I mean if it was that simple then everyone would do it.
McVay and Sean Payton are 2 of the best playcallers/game planners in football right now. Not sure how realistic it is to assume anyone else can just mimic that.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
77963 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:26 am to
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You mean like hiring a passing game coordinator from the NFL to run the option type stuff the people here seem to believe?


Did the 2003 Cardinals run a lot of option type stuff?

I am 0% sold on Sullivan as anything other than a good WR coach. No reason to think otherwise
Posted by TDcline
American Gardens building 11th flor
Member since Aug 2015
9319 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:30 am to
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So, let me get this straight. You think O and his crew are concocting this entire elaborate scheme of what is being done for the Offense?


Yea, it's definitely not in O's wheelhouse to lie to the fans. Member when he was working so hard to find us the right corch, only to find out there was never a search?

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but we've got actual hires that appear to be making some serious adjustments to what LSU has been doing Offensively.


You're right. Below is actual footage of our corching staff talking strategy:


This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 10:31 am
Posted by sunnydaze
Member since Jan 2010
32402 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:39 am to
Narcissie won't start. It's either gonna be Brennan or McMillan
Posted by TigerFan4040
Member since Sep 2013
4390 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:43 am to
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The offense is a pro-style attack, but one of its strongest elements is a hurry-up, multi-receiver package where the quarterback reads just one person


If this is the case, lets hope and pray that a QB steps up to the plate and can handle the responsibility of this new scheme.
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:45 am to
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Not sure why you’d even respond to my post with a bunch of gleaming generalities about NFL experience.


Because you did a comparison stating that LSU was like math people who had not done math for 20 years. Then being given a small amount of time to figure out complex problems on their own with no guidance. Before being thrown into a huge competition against experts. It was your post?

That is why I responded with the passing game coordinator and his vast and very recent experience. Also the fact that the Seahawks requested he attend with the rest of the LSU coaches so they could learn from him.

Seems to contradict your analogy.

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I’m sure you and the rest of the people in the athletic department are enamored by NFL experience and think it’s a fix-all but it really isn’t.


Seriously dude??? You would prefer LSU hire high school coaches?

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It’s still possible to have valid concerns despite Cregg, Sullivan, and McMahon being on staff.


Also possible to have valid confidence in people who have had successful careers coaching on the highest level in their profession. If you don't think so, it's cool.

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And FYI, this isn’t the NFL. And again, analysts don’t have anything to do with alleviating my concerns


I don't think it should totally alleviate your concerns. But I question if you even know what analysts do if you do not feel a lot better about the LSU program having them.

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the problem will lie in Ensminger and Sullivan’s lack of detailed knowledge- and lack of understanding of “why” they’re doing what they’re doing- of the offense they’re trying to design.


This is why they should have hired high school coaches with two or three years experience. How could someone like Sullivan who has been in the NFL for so long have any understanding of what and why about the offense he will run. LSU is doomed.
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But keep chugging away with the delusional propaganda, Derek


It's not propaganda it is my opinion based on what I know of the coaches and support staff. AND if you are going to use my name, the least you could do it learn how to spell it.

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I’m sure the admin is paying you by the post so enjoy the $2 you just earned


I get paid by the time I spend doing this not the post. I have been told I will receive a raise to a whopping $1.75 per hour in the next year or so. I will finally be able to buy the Yugo I've had my eye on that has been in the field down the street for about 10 years. It's a beauty !!!



Posted by Space Cowboy
Member since Oct 2016
4079 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:46 am to
First of all, none of what's contained in that article comes from O or his coaching staff. All of it has been ascertained from what O and other coaches have previously said when answering unrelated questions, from the LSU players themselves, and from various coaches outside the program with intimate knowledge of the program.

Don't sleep on O boys, as he may be putting together something offensive wise that possibly could be earth-shattering around here. He didn't hire all of those advisors for nothing, as O is taking our old antiquated football program under an old utterly incompetent regime that was terribly afraid of change into the 21st century. So it's only natural for the O haters and Miles lovers to hate on O.

The big question is will it be a successful transition? No one at this point really knows. However, I choose to be positive because I have a lot of confidence in Steve Ensminger, as I have known the guy for many years and he is a very intelligent person.

I also have to commend Coach O for having the cojones to completely revamp our offense and our football program at the same time after all these many years. In fact, that's exactly what he was hired to do. And I hope he is successful, in stark contrast to all the Negatigers that want to see O miserably fail.
Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2004
7667 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:46 am to
"i want to believe"

Amen to that! With what we've been through over the past several years, I will just have to believe it when I see it, but I sure want to see it.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33843 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:46 am to
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But it’s seems a little naive to think that they can implement what the saints, or rams do just by studying them. I mean if it was that simple then everyone would do it.


That's not even the worst part of it to me.

Ensminger clearly doesn't have his own philosophy that he's implementing. They're doing some kind of weird Frankenstein project where they're taking a piece from this guy and a piece from that guy and trying to put it together in an offseason.

I foresee us having a multiple type of offense, heavy on miscues and penalties, without depth to it. It's like they're trying to write a book in a language they don't know, instead of them simply installing what they know best.
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
16336 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:55 am to
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We had a new scheme and energy in place last year, until meddling Ed left us underworked in August and then pulled the rug out from Canada in September. What is this year's meddling Ed going to look like?

From the article about the first scrimmage this spring:

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Almost all last spring, the defense was kept on its heels by then-new offensive coordinator Matt Canada, whose motion-oriented schemes at times looked like the Harlem Globetrotters weave offense.

It wasn't until the spring game that the defense stopped Canada's offense dead in its tracks.

LINK

It's an interesting statement. I don't know if it means that the D figured out Canada's offense or not.
Posted by semjase
New Smyrna Beach FL
Member since May 2014
14213 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 11:03 am to
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As for QB, if they are implementing a pro/spread style offense it's going to require a QB that can read defenses, make quick decisions and is accurate. Athleticism aside, it needs to be a guy that can master all of these traits. If it's Narcisse, then great because he adds the element of running, but I want the guy that gets the ball in the playmakers' hands, whoever he is.
That's NOT Narcisse. All of his Rantknocker Entourage are going to be sorely disappointed. (Just like the last GOAT that couldn't do it at this level)
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33843 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 11:08 am to
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The big question is will it be a successful transition? No one at this point really knows. However, I choose to be positive because I have a lot of confidence in Steve Ensminger, as I have known the guy for many years and he is a very intelligent person


I knew you had a personal relationship with people on the staff.

"Moonbat," "go fly a kite," that definitely smacks of a senior citizen's lexicon.

Do you and E go trolling for women at the bingo halls on the weekends?
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
77963 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 11:09 am to
And your basing this on what?
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
102870 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 11:10 am to
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That's NOT Narcisse. All of his Rantknocker Entourage are going to be sorely disappointed. (Just like the last GOAT that couldn't do it at this level)

Just because one guy couldn't do something doesn't mean a current guy can't. That's just silly.
Posted by 00 Tech Grad
My homestead, AL
Member since Nov 2009
11446 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 11:18 am to
That’s all fine, but after 2012-2017 I’ll believe it when I see it this fall.

We’ve seen this EVERY YEAR, and every fall is a disappointment. Until that changes, I don’t believe the hype.
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
16242 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 11:23 am to
Here's the problem I see with Orgeron's approach:

He's pieced together a staff from various regimes and then promoted a coordinator to lead them with very little experience as an OC and is now trying to piece together an offensive philosophy that these people have no experience with. How well are they going to understand this system as a staff? How cohesive will it be from position coach to position coach? How well will they be able to communicate it to the players? Do they have a deep enough understanding to make corrections on the fly?

If I was Orgeron and this was my one shot, I'd have hired an OC that ran the offense that I wanted and had him import his staff (unless there was an obvious upgrade already here that the new OC was on board with keeping), because I'd know they are experienced in this style and are already on the same page and can hit the ground running. I know recruiting ties are an issue and you want to keep some guys around that have relationships to HS school coaches and players, but, in the end, the product is what needs to sell itself.

What he's doing by trying to piece this all together is very "Frankenstein" and will probably work fine in 6-8 games, but I don't see how it will hold up in the toughest games against the best defenses where there's little margin for error and it will be necessary to adjust on the fly.
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