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re: LSU hires William & Mary’s Offensive Coordinator as an offensive analyst
Posted on 2/28/19 at 3:38 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Posted on 2/28/19 at 3:38 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Although hiring a D1 OC is probably above the curve of most analyst hires. Many are former high school coaches or players trying to break into college coaching (Like Brad Kragthorpe, who turned an analyst gig into an NFL job). Of course you get the occasional Sarkisian rehab hire, but that's not the norm.
I mean, people are trying to emulate Saban at bama with the analysts stuff. You say it's not the norm, but in just the past few years Bama has hired Butch Jones, Steve Sarkisian, and Mike Locksley. I understand that there are a ton of other analysts on Saban's staff that nobody has ever heard of, but that's kind of my point. This guy is not going to move the needle one way or another.
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Posted on 2/28/19 at 3:43 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Analysts don't have offensive philosophies.
Sure they do, particularly when they've been an OC in the past. Now, whether they are called on to provide input on the offensive philosophy likely depends on their prior success. If you don't think Sarkisian or Locksley at bama provided input on offensive philosophy then I don't know what to tell you.
Now, as far as this guy goes, I agree, he likely won't be asked to provide much input and Ensminger and Brady likely are not looking to borrow much from his offensive philosophy given his track record. Which gets exactly to my point. This guy is not going to move the needle one way or another.
Posted on 2/28/19 at 3:52 pm to The Pirate King
Nah butt pirate it’s mocking the CRUSHING IT THREADS AND CLAIMS. I wouldn’t expect you to get it.
Posted on 2/28/19 at 3:55 pm to UpToPar
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Why? Just a guess? A gut feeling? Are you familiar with his offensive philosophy? His ability to study and breakdown film? Is there anything other than pure speculation that this is actually a good hire
His job is pretty basic stuff. He's been an OC so I would think that he knows how to break down film. Are you saying that they would hire somebody that doesn't have basic coaching skills?
I'm trying to figure out why you're arguing this ridiculous shite. Is it because you embarrassed yourself earlier and you're trying to salvage some dignity? It's too late for that. Dust yourself off and move on.
Posted on 2/28/19 at 4:01 pm to bencoleman
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His job is pretty basic stuff. He's been an OC so I would think that he knows how to break down film. Are you saying that they would hire somebody that doesn't have basic coaching skills?
I’m saying we have no idea what his skills are or how proficient he is at breaking down film. Had he had success as an OC, we could at least point to that as evidence that he knows what he’s doing, but he didn’t. My point is, we have no idea if he’ll be a good analyst or not, but that certainly didn’t stop you from calling this a “good hire” lol.
Posted on 2/28/19 at 4:06 pm to TheTexasTiger7
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They are a division 2 team..
W&M is FCS, which is Division 1.
Posted on 2/28/19 at 4:07 pm to UpToPar
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but that certainly didn’t stop you from calling this a “good hire” lol.
I would say any manpower is good manpower. Even if said person is making copies of play sheets. It frees up the coaches to coach and recruit
Posted on 2/28/19 at 4:09 pm to SPEEDY
I said ohhhh noooo
William and Mary won't do
Well I did not think the girl
Could be so cruel
And I'm never going back
To my old schooooool
William and Mary won't do
Well I did not think the girl
Could be so cruel
And I'm never going back
To my old schooooool
Posted on 2/28/19 at 4:12 pm to Goldrush25
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How does hiring an analyst that wasn't particularly good at his previous job benefit LSU?
Is he being hired in the same capacity? No. Plenty of coaches get promoted above their level of talent. It's a common occurrence. Great OCs become shitty head coaches, etc.
Just because he failed as an OC, doesn't mean he can't do the most menial of coaching tasks.
Posted on 2/28/19 at 4:14 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Would bama hire this guy... Doubt it
Posted on 2/28/19 at 4:22 pm to Tigerpride18
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Would bama hire this guy... Doubt it
They have tons of no name analysts, with less of a resume than this guy. They make a few rehab hires, but most of their analysts are former high school coaches, former players, former small college coaches, failed coaches at other levels, etc. Like every school with analysts.
Posted on 2/28/19 at 4:26 pm to UpToPar
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I’m saying we have no idea what his skills are or how proficient he is at breaking down film. Had he had success as an OC, we could at least point to that as evidence that he knows what he’s doing, but he didn’t. My point is, we have no idea if he’ll be a good analyst or not, but that certainly didn’t stop you from calling this a “good hire” lol.
In a previous post you admitted he should be able to break down film. We also have evidence that he is a decent position coach from his elevation to coordinator from coach. We also know he has past experience as position coach and Offensive coordinator.......So there is that.
Posted on 2/28/19 at 4:28 pm to UpToPar
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, but that certainly didn’t stop you from calling this a “good hire” lol
Because the hiring of analysts to break down film can do nothing but help the program. This has been explained to you repeatedly by more than one person but you can't seem to grasp what an analyst does or how it could be helpful. It's not your fault, you may be learning disabled or some such. Or it may be that me or the other person that's tried to explain the position to you aren't communicating in a way that you can understand. Either way it's a failure to communicate. Hopefully somebody can explain to you what an analyst does and why it could be important to a program moving forward.
This post was edited on 2/28/19 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 2/28/19 at 4:54 pm to UpToPar
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At this point, you have people calling him a "good hire" because he's qualified for the position. Do you realize how ridiculous that is?
No. It's a good hire because they're adding analysts. What's ridiculous is your harping on it and making something of nothing.
Posted on 2/28/19 at 5:26 pm to bencoleman
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It's a good hire because they're adding analysts.
Quantity doesn't automatically equal quality.
Posted on 2/28/19 at 5:50 pm to UpToPar
You’re seriously questioning whether a D1 offensive coordinator, who was hired at the recommendation of Brady (a former NFL assistant) is proficient at breaking down film?
Really? High school coaches can break down film. Managers can break down film. He’s extremely OVER qualified for the job.
Really? High school coaches can break down film. Managers can break down film. He’s extremely OVER qualified for the job.
Posted on 2/28/19 at 6:10 pm to bencoleman
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No. It's a good hire because they're adding analysts.
So is everyone else. What competitive edge is gained if we're not putting quality analysts into those spots?
Posted on 2/28/19 at 6:11 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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High school coaches can break down film. Managers can break down film.
You're kind of ruining your own argument here.
Again, mere ability doesn't make one a good hire. Yeah he was a D1 coordinator. He was also a bad one based on the numbers and the fact he no longer holds such a position.
Posted on 2/28/19 at 6:14 pm to Goldrush25
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So is everyone else. What competitive edge is gained if we're not putting quality analysts into those spots
Saying he's not quality is your fantasy it's not reality.
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