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re: LSU Football In 1969. Why Did We Not Play For The NC?

Posted on 4/24/22 at 10:03 pm to
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 4/24/22 at 10:03 pm to
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Texas played two teams with a winning record in 1969. OU was 6-4 and Arkansas was 9-2. Eight of their opponents did not have a winning season. Total opponents record was 39-62.


It was a different era. You didn’t have superconferences.

LSU only played 3 teams with winning records:

Auburn 8-3
Ole Miss 8-3
Bama 6-5

Losing to OM means LSU beat 2 squads with a winning record.

Combined record of LSU opponents was 40-63. Here are the teams other than the 3 listed above.

Texas A&M 3-7
Rice 3-7
Baylor 0-10
Miami 4-6
Kentucky 2-8
Miss State 3-7
Tulane 3-7

This is not to knock LSU. It was a different era. LSU played 5 conference games.
Posted by Earthquake 88
Mobile
Member since Jan 2010
3134 posts
Posted on 4/24/22 at 10:38 pm to
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Not true. Bama got screwed in 66 and again to a lesser degree in 78.


I’ve heard that Bama got screwed in 1966. I live in the Mobile area and they are still salty about it over here.
Posted by Earthquake 88
Mobile
Member since Jan 2010
3134 posts
Posted on 4/24/22 at 10:41 pm to
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Cause they lost to Archie


And Notre Dame had a loss and a tie on their record prior to the Cotton Bowl.
Posted by Earthquake 88
Mobile
Member since Jan 2010
3134 posts
Posted on 4/24/22 at 10:48 pm to
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My mom was in the Texas Band and went to that game. She said the hate was real. In her years as a student Arkansas was the #1 rival, followed by OU.


That hate is real. I always thought it was OU, Texas A&M, then Arkansas for Texas fans. On the flip side Arkansas fans still despise Texas to this day. It was Texas and everyone else when they were in the Southwest Conference. Texas beat Arkansas 3 out of every 4 games. I believe UT looked at them as the 3rd team in the we can’t stand pecking order. Arkansas despises LSU. The problem is we have more of a dislike for Alabama, Auburn, Florida, and Ole Miss.

You are correct that Arkansas hate for UT is real. I lived in Little Rock back in the 1990’s and they really don’t like Texas whatsoever.
Posted by mcspufftiger7
Member since Oct 2020
2687 posts
Posted on 4/24/22 at 10:50 pm to
And Cantrell wasn't that big. I heard the same thing from some former players. Pound for pound the toughest to ever play for LSU.
Posted by calicrawdaddy
Santa Clarita, CA.
Member since May 2009
376 posts
Posted on 4/24/22 at 11:45 pm to
I’d love to have one of those 1969 helmets. They’re badass.
Posted by GeorgeWest
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2013
14139 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 12:20 am to
I was a frosh at LSU in 1969. We did not get the Cotton bid because of ND changing its bowl policy.

BUT...

Had we played in the Cotton and beaten UT LSU would not have vaulted to #1. We were #8 at the end of the regular season and Penn State and SoCal ended up undefeated. The best team we played in 1969 was Ole Miss and we lost that game in Jackson. Our record did not indicate that we were a top 5 team.
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6-- the Brazos River Valley
Member since Sep 2015
29400 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 12:31 am to
LSU had an inordinately weak schedule in 1969. Their first three opponents, Texas A&M, Rice and Baylor, finished #'s 6, 7 and 8 respectively, in the 8 team SWC. They played at Miami the 4th game (20-0 win), but Miami wasn't strong that year, finishing 4-6.

The Tigers' SEC opponents (except two) had off seasons as well. Kentucky, with a new head coach John Ray, was 2-8 (1-5 SEC). Auburn was 8-3 (4-2 SEC). Ole Miss finished 8-3 overall, 4-2 SEC. Alabama had a subpar year under the Bear, finishing only 6-5 (2-4 SEC). Miss. St was 3-7 overall and 0-6 SEC. Tulane was 3-7 overall.

So LSU in 1969 played essentially 6 cupcakes, 1 slightly worse-than-average, 1 slightly better-than-average and 2 legitimately good opponents. Not NC game material IMO.

It wasn't the Tigers' fault the schedule was weak. Some of these teams (Alabama, A&M and Miami) had winning seasons in recent years, but were just off in '69.
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
27861 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 1:23 am to
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LSU would not have vaulted to #1.


The AP awarded the title before bowl games anyway
Posted by Domeskeller
Astrodome
Member since Jun 2020
9102 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 1:41 am to
The helmet Capone poses with in that photo is not the 1969 helmet. LSU wore helmets on the numbers then. LSU wore that helmet in the photo from 1972-76.

Also, Capone was not on the 1969 team. He graduated from Catholic in 1970.
This post was edited on 4/25/22 at 1:42 am
Posted by lsupicker
Member since Oct 2015
1357 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 7:29 am to
1969 there was no ESPN
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
86628 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 8:15 am to
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The AP awarded the title before bowl games anyway


No they changed it to after the bowls after the 64 season
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
33081 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 8:23 am to
Two names:

Ara Parseghian
Darrell K. Royal

Better TV viewing even back in 1969
You had the big Texas markets and with Notre Dame you got a national audience.

Who was LSU back then?
Posted by bgtiger
Prairieville
Member since Dec 2004
11748 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 8:42 am to
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Texas A&M 3-7
Rice 3-7
Baylor 0-10


LSU played most of Texas schedule, too
Posted by NorthshoreTiger76
Pelicans, Saints, & LSU Fan
Member since May 2009
82121 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 8:53 am to
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LSU won the SEC in 1869


1869?
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 8:59 am to
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Not saying Texas was afraid to play us

I am.

Texas money was pouring into South Bend to get ND to play the Longhorns in the Cotton Bowl. Texas wanted nothing to do with LSU after that 1963 Cotton Bowl when Texas went in ranked #4 and undefeated and was shut out by LSU. Not to mention in 1966 LSU beat another undefeated SWC champ, #2 Arkansas.

LSU was wrecking the Cotton Bowl back then, they didn't want no more of the Tigers.
Posted by JustDooIt
Steeelwood
Member since Jun 2006
885 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 9:07 am to
A year later we played ND for the first time...3-0. Best game I ever saw. Chicago Tribune said if Nd is #1, then LSU is 1A. Theisman, Jones, Cassanova, Capone. It was real football!!
Posted by Bill W Tiger
LSU Alumnus
Member since May 2008
1450 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 9:18 am to
Almost as genius as the leaders of a school that can't decide what mascot they want....so they take 3!
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
4078 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 9:42 am to
First, that game was not for all the marbles. In that era it was just polls. Undefeated Penn State would have had the best claim and would most likely been chosen if we had played and won.

The game that was closest to being for all the marbles was the TX/Ark game at the end of the season. You know one of those games of the century between two undefeated powerhouses. This was the game where Nixon proclaimed TX national champion after their 15-14 victory, and knocked Penn State out of the conversation.

Ultimately, we didn't play because the Cotton Bowl made a business decision we didn't like. The only thing that could have effected a different result is if we were undefeated. Archie was one of the greatest dual threat qbs in college history. On that day that great defense just couldn't handle him.


Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6-- the Brazos River Valley
Member since Sep 2015
29400 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 9:52 am to
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LSU would have been SEC champs

Fixed it for you. A Mark Lumpkin tying FG (no guarantee; The Great Lumpkin was a decent FG kicker, but no Cole Tracy, or Cade York) would have made LSU the SEC champion with a 4-0-1 record. The actual champion, Tennessee, had a 5-1 SEC record with a 38-0 blowout loss at Ole Miss. Ole Miss was 4-2 SEC, with two early one-point losses to Alabama and lowly Kentucky.
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