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re: LSU coach Ed Orgeron to receive contract extension
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:11 pm to UpToPar
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:11 pm to UpToPar
quote:
If this were recruiting motivated, wouldn't it have made more sense to announce this the week after the bowl game?
Why? So it's forgotten about by the time NSD rolls around? What exactly would the advantage be to announce it 3 weeks ago?
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Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:12 pm to whitefoot
quote:
No. The extension was announced today to build momentum for the final push before NSD. This is a massive recruiting weekend for us. Like it or not, the extension represents stability and the notion that Orgeron will be here long-term, which is important to recruits who are trying to decide where to spend the "next three to four years" of their lives.
Who are we making a final push for, and do those recruits honestly care about the stability of the program? We know Sophser's recruitment surrounds his brother.
Why not announce this 3 weeks ago and start building momentum then?
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:12 pm to SammyTiger
quote:Yes
He deserves 6-7 years?
Some details on his current contract: LINK
quote:
Orgeron will make $3.5 million per year as part of a five-year contract, details The Advocate reported on the day he was named permanent coach. The school confirmed those numbers in documents released Thursday.
quote:
Orgeron's two-way buyout with the program is $12 million this year and drops every subsequent year of the contract. It slips to $8.5 million in 2018, $6 million in 2019, $4.5 million in 2020 and just $1 million for the final year.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:12 pm to SammyTiger
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And Jimbo’s contract is the product of a school with limitless money hiring away a National Championship winnign Coach from a P5 school.
That’s the kinda contract you end up with as
That’s a freakish outlier. We can’t be like “well Jimbos’s buyout is...”
other buyouts of SEC coaches as of Dec 1 this year:
LINK
Jimbo - 68MM
Saban - 33.5MM
Malzahn - 32MM
Kirby - 28MM
Muschamp - 18MM
Stoops - 15MM
Morris - 12.5MM
Mullen - 12MM
Pruitt - 12MM
Orgeron - 5.2MM
It was asked if his buyout was average. Based on other SEC HCs, it's well below average currently. Take that as you will.
This post was edited on 1/30/19 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:12 pm to SammyTiger
Current buyouts
Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M — $68,125,000
Nick Saban, Alabama — $33,600,000
Gus Malzahn, Auburn — $32,143,750
Kirby Smart, Georgia — $27,917,500
Will Muschamp, South Carolina — $18,650,000
Mark Stoops, Kentucky — $15,625,000
Chad Morris, Arkansas — $12,500,000
Dan Mullen, Florida — $12,000,000
Jeremy Pruitt, Tennessee — $11,780,000
Ed Orgeron, LSU — $5,291,667
Barry Odom, Mizzou — $1,912,500
Matt Luke, Ole Miss — $0
Joe Moorhead, Mississippi State — $0
Derek Mason, Vanderbilt — Unknown
Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M — $68,125,000
Nick Saban, Alabama — $33,600,000
Gus Malzahn, Auburn — $32,143,750
Kirby Smart, Georgia — $27,917,500
Will Muschamp, South Carolina — $18,650,000
Mark Stoops, Kentucky — $15,625,000
Chad Morris, Arkansas — $12,500,000
Dan Mullen, Florida — $12,000,000
Jeremy Pruitt, Tennessee — $11,780,000
Ed Orgeron, LSU — $5,291,667
Barry Odom, Mizzou — $1,912,500
Matt Luke, Ole Miss — $0
Joe Moorhead, Mississippi State — $0
Derek Mason, Vanderbilt — Unknown
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:12 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Links?
Also you’re comparing total buyouts when some of these guys have 2-4 more years on their contract.
Also you’re comparing total buyouts when some of these guys have 2-4 more years on their contract.
This post was edited on 1/30/19 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:13 pm to whitefoot
quote:
Why? So it's forgotten about by the time NSD rolls around? What exactly would the advantage be to announce it 3 weeks ago?
Are you serious? You think players are concerned enough about a coach's contract that they will avoid going to a school where a coach doesn't have at least 4 years remaining, but they are simple minded enough to forget if a coach was extended 3 weeks ago?This post was edited on 1/30/19 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:14 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:14 pm to SammyTiger
Also, with a big recruiting weekend coming up, this was not a coincidence. This was an orchestrated maneuver to generate positive buzz and create a talking point with recruits.
It creates an aura of stability, whether it's real or false.
It creates an aura of stability, whether it's real or false.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:15 pm to mmcgrath
SEC salaries
No. 1– Nick Saban, Alabama ($8,307,000)
No. 4– Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M ($7,500,000)
No. 5– Gus Malzahn, Auburn ($6,700,000)
No. 6– Kirby Smart, Georgia ($6,603,600)
No. 8– Dan Mullen, Florida ($6,070,000)
No. 21– Will Muschamp, South Carolina ($4,200,000)
No. 23– Mark Stoops, Kentucky ($4,000,000)
No. 25– Jeremy Pruitt, Tennessee ($3,846,000)
No. 36– Chad Morris, Arkansas ($3,500,000)
No. 37– Ed Orgeron, LSU ($3,500,000)
No. 44– Matt Luke, Ole Miss ($3,000,000)
No. 46– Derek Mason, Vanderbilt ($2,812,523)
No. 49– Joe Moorhead, Mississippi State ($2,600,000)
No. 56– Barry Odom, Missouri ($2,350,00)
No. 1– Nick Saban, Alabama ($8,307,000)
No. 4– Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M ($7,500,000)
No. 5– Gus Malzahn, Auburn ($6,700,000)
No. 6– Kirby Smart, Georgia ($6,603,600)
No. 8– Dan Mullen, Florida ($6,070,000)
No. 21– Will Muschamp, South Carolina ($4,200,000)
No. 23– Mark Stoops, Kentucky ($4,000,000)
No. 25– Jeremy Pruitt, Tennessee ($3,846,000)
No. 36– Chad Morris, Arkansas ($3,500,000)
No. 37– Ed Orgeron, LSU ($3,500,000)
No. 44– Matt Luke, Ole Miss ($3,000,000)
No. 46– Derek Mason, Vanderbilt ($2,812,523)
No. 49– Joe Moorhead, Mississippi State ($2,600,000)
No. 56– Barry Odom, Missouri ($2,350,00)
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:15 pm to The First Cut
quote:
Recruiting. Coaches with a short contract duration get that used against them.
been debunked many times. get some new material dumbass. maybe go back to saying how kiffin was coming here VERBATIM oh wait i debunked that BS also.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:17 pm to UpToPar
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Who are we making a final push for
Jeez, dude. We have like 3 major defensive line recruits coming this weekend. Also Devonta Lee from Amite. Alabama commit Christian Williams. And many more. There will be many high, high quality targets on campus this weekend. It's going to be our biggest recruiting weekend of the year.
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We know Sophser's recruitment surrounds his brother.
No. He's out of the picture (for now). He's a 2020 recruit now. He wasn't going to qualify this year so he reclassified.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:18 pm to The First Cut
NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! DO WE WANT TO BE 9-4 FOREVER?!!!!!!
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:18 pm to Smell the crawfish
quote:so going 6-2 and 5-3 in the SEC is deserving?
Well deserved! Keep up the good work!
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:18 pm to lsufball19
O buyout went back up Jan 1st.
A “cheap” buyout relative to coaches much earlier in the contracts with a lot more years in them.
Do any of you trust Alleva in this contract negotiation?
A “cheap” buyout relative to coaches much earlier in the contracts with a lot more years in them.
Do any of you trust Alleva in this contract negotiation?
This post was edited on 1/30/19 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:19 pm to LSUFanMizeWay
“who feels better”
5-3 in the SEC which is the exact same place we were 3 yrs ago and a lower ranked O than the one lots of folks were having a kitten over with Cam makes we ask, why the rush?
I would have preferred to allow 2019 to play out before offering a contract extension, but that’s just me.
5-3 in the SEC which is the exact same place we were 3 yrs ago and a lower ranked O than the one lots of folks were having a kitten over with Cam makes we ask, why the rush?
I would have preferred to allow 2019 to play out before offering a contract extension, but that’s just me.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:22 pm to Lonnie4LSU
Agreed, we should’ve pulled an Aaron Donald and waited after next season before considering offering an extension before the final year of his contract frick
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:24 pm to UpToPar
Whatever dude. Not sure why you've resorted to personal insults. 
I think you don't have a very good grasp on how fickle recruiting can be. Often the last sales pitch a recruit gets is the one that sticks. I'm not saying they wouldn't be able to remember, but the excitement would have worn off and it wouldn't be as fresh in anyone's mind.
There is no doubt in my mind the timing of this announcement was to kick off this recruiting weekend. We've been hearing it was coming for months. You think the timing is just a coincidence?
I think you don't have a very good grasp on how fickle recruiting can be. Often the last sales pitch a recruit gets is the one that sticks. I'm not saying they wouldn't be able to remember, but the excitement would have worn off and it wouldn't be as fresh in anyone's mind.
There is no doubt in my mind the timing of this announcement was to kick off this recruiting weekend. We've been hearing it was coming for months. You think the timing is just a coincidence?
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:25 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
O buyout went back up Jan 1st.
How?
quote:
A “cheap” buyout relative to coaches much earlier in the contracts with a lot more years in them.
How many years left is largely irrelevant. The total amount is all that matters because that’s what LSU actually pays out. His buyout, right now, is extremely manageable. That’s why most are ok if that doesnt change with his raise
And no I don’t trust Alleva but I’ll reserve judgment until terns are released
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:25 pm to whitefoot
quote:
We have like 3 major defensive line recruits coming this weekend.
Right, Moore who has more crystal balls for Auburn than any other team (who's coach might have the hottest of hot seats this year), Sophser who is more concerned with a scholarship offer for his brother than anything else, and Young who is currently committed to Alabama.
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Also Devonta Lee from Amite
Been rumored that he is a silent commit for a while now.
Again, if we are trying to flip kids from Bama (Williams and Young), wouldn't it have helped to announce the extension 3 weeks ago? I was told that Saban has been in these players' ears about the lack of stability of the program and using O's contract as a negative recruitment tool. Wouldn't it make sense to limit his ability to negatively recruit O?
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