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re: LSU basketball now up to #14 in Ken Pom

Posted on 12/5/21 at 12:18 pm to
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 12/5/21 at 12:18 pm to
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They made 13 threes vs Zags


LSU has made 13 threes(13/60, 21%) in the last 3 games combined

LSU’s never been a big 3 ball team under Wade. LSU’s best teams pound you inside. LSU only hit 31.9% of their 3s in 2018-2019 when they went 16-2 in the SEC.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
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Posted on 12/5/21 at 12:19 pm to
Preach
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
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Posted on 12/5/21 at 12:21 pm to
That team had good 3pt shooters. Naz Reid & Days both shot well in conference. Waters was hot & cold but showed enough to be respected

This team has no one to create shots, much less make them
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
177371 posts
Posted on 12/5/21 at 12:23 pm to
This team actually has a defense. It would be a bigger issue if LSU was getting burnt on D like they have for every season under Wade before this. The offense will come.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 12/5/21 at 12:31 pm to
I hope you’re right but I don’t see where it comes from

Being too one sided either way is never ideal. Improved competition will temper some of that defense but also expose the offensive end & the poor guard play & lack of creator on this team
Posted by SoloTiger
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 12/5/21 at 12:32 pm to
If you listened to Will's last presser following the Ohio game you know he is going to tweak some things offensively. I got the impression he was just hoping to get to this 10 day break without a loss so that he can correct some issues..
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 12/6/21 at 6:40 am to
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They miss a ton of good looks.


Days has missed some good looks the last three, took some ill advised one's in the Penn St. Game - but he'll be fine - as I said he'll end the year right around where he's typically finished. At 40%.

Don't agree with you on Pinson and Days - any step back or dribble 3 is not a good look for them and that's been most of what they've been taking of late.

Watch what I say on Murray - he'll be considered a good shooter by the end of the year. You heard it here first.

I guess what I'm saying is yeah, we are not a great 3-pt shooting team but we can be good if enough if certain players learn their limitations and Days comes back to mean - which he will.
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 12/6/21 at 6:49 am to
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Watch what I say on Murray - he'll be considered a good shooter by the end of the year. You heard it here first.



I agree with your takes, but this isn't an opinion unique to you. I think he's already considered to be a good shooter (45% from the floor, 40% from three). I certainly consider him that. I just wish he'd shoot a little more, and some of the others would shoot a little less. I like Pinson and Gaines driving to the basket and drawing fouls. Not a big fan of them really shooting from anywhere.
This post was edited on 12/6/21 at 6:55 am
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 12/6/21 at 7:21 am to
They were just 3-11 in the second half for 27%.
This post was edited on 12/6/21 at 7:32 am
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
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Posted on 12/6/21 at 7:28 am to
Wade pretty much said they are gonna find a way to get murray some more shots, id expect that to come soon
This post was edited on 12/6/21 at 7:29 am
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 12/6/21 at 7:29 am to
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I agree with your takes, but this isn't an opinion unique to you. I think he's already considered to be a good shooter (45% from the floor, 40% from three).


He will, I have already noticed WW calling plays for him - and that will increase in the near future.
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 12/6/21 at 7:31 am to
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LSU has made 13 threes(13/60, 21%) in the last 3 games combined


If only Seneca knight was still at LSU to pick up some of that 3pt shooting slack.

Right?
Posted by WigSplitta22
The Bottom
Member since Apr 2014
2395 posts
Posted on 12/6/21 at 7:50 am to
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I got the impression he was just hoping to get to this 10 day break without a loss so that he can correct some issues..





Was that your impression or was that exactly what he said almost word for word
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
35676 posts
Posted on 12/6/21 at 8:16 am to
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This team actually has a defense. It would be a bigger issue if LSU was getting burnt on D like they have for every season under Wade before this.


I agree 100%. The defense has (and assuming it continues) will keep you in games even if your offense is struggling/inconsistent.

quote:

The offense will come.


I'm optimistic. I've seen Wade put together good offenses. Good offenses even when the team wasn't a very good 3 point shooting team (most notably 18-19). Now, I don't think even at their best this team will be as potent/efficient as the last two (maybe three) seasons. But if they can find their way into the top 30 with continued great play on defense this will still be a really good team.

I do think LSU being down one guard is hurting the offense though. Right now you are asking three guards to play relentless defense AND run the offense. Will those guys start to wear down once you are playing a tough game every 3 days or so? I'd, perhaps, like to see one more guy added to the rotation if they are going to continue to play so hard defensively. Maybe that is O'Neal if/when healthy? They don't have another true guard they can bring in off the bench. So maybe they could try stealing a few minutes with Wilkinson at an off-guard spot? Obviously he wouldn't be an offensive threat, but you could maybe supplement that scoring by going inside. And we aren't talking 20 minutes per game. Maybe 5 minutes or so spread out between each half.
Posted by SoloTiger
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 12/6/21 at 8:25 am to
Agree with your concerns over the 3 guard rotation. Maybe we see a little more Fudge PT with Mwani as off guard. It is Murray that has logged the most minutes.

I also think some of the poor shot selection from 3 from the Pinson/Gaines is because they are a bit gassed from max effort on defense. Easier to jack up a 3 than exert more effort running offense or driving.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
18737 posts
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:23 pm to
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I'm optimistic. I've seen Wade put together good offenses. Good offenses even when the team wasn't a very good 3 point shooting team (most notably 18-19).


Me too, I think the overreaction to the shooting the last 3 games is typical - we as a society in general are extremely recency-biased and captive to the moment.

Are we a great 3-pt shooting team - no. Are we a 21% 3-pt shooting team? Just as emphatic a no.

As indicated Days will level off at 40% you can almost book that's where he'll end the year, Murray is a good shooter which he will show the rest of the guys if they can realize their limitations, can be a big if, we'll be o.k.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
290902 posts
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:33 pm to
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I think the overreaction to the shooting the last 3 games is typical - we as a society in general are extremely recency-biased and captive to the moment.


Just to be clear, days has been bad the last 3 games. The rest of the team has been bad all season.
Posted by asullivan12
Many, LA
Member since Nov 2015
1915 posts
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:43 pm to
imagine the melt that would happen if the SEC becomes the best conference for Football, Baseball AND Basketball
Posted by Pnels08
Member since Jul 2014
10609 posts
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:48 pm to
little bright spot is Mwani is shooting 4/10 and his threes actually look good and Murray looks like a guy that should be able to get some shots in for us.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
290902 posts
Posted on 12/6/21 at 1:43 pm to
I don’t think mwani is a threat to pull defenses, but Murray certainly can be. He & Eason need to develop into the 1-2 guys, and quickly.
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