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LSUFanHouston
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LSU Basketball - next 5 years

Either one of two things will happen:

1) The cloud over this program - caused by WW's idiot inability to not cheat properly - will continue. We will get hit with sanctions, and that will impact our ability to get a good coach and good players.

2) The NCAA will accept that we fired WW, WW will get a show cause, and LSU will have no permanent damage. We will then be able to get another coach and see if that coach can recruit.

Either way... even if Woody would have told the NCAA to go F themselves, we would have to deal with this. The NCAA spent four years on this and they are desperate for blood. They would not have let this go.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand. WW's actions left LSU no choice. People want to discuss Arizona and Kansas... neither of those coaches screwed up anywhere near as badly, anywhere near as much evidence, as WW.

The whole thing blows but it's embarrassing that so many of my fellow "fans" can't figure out where to assign blame.

WW elevated the LSU program. He engaged with the fans and the students He was fun, and he helped the program. He brought an energy to the program and to the fan base.

All of those things can be true, while also it is true that he deserved to be fired for his misdeeds.


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Does the LSU administration actually believe that the next coach will not break NCAA rules to attract the best talent....

NIL deals will not be enough for some players....
*Zions parents house - Duke
*North Carolina fake classes
and so on....

The wokeness of the NCAA opened a GIANT can of worms.
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Hopefully something like 2 but it’s hard not to see a 1-2 year ban and some reduced schollys


LSUFanHouston
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Does the LSU administration actually believe that the next coach will not break NCAA rules to attract the best talent....


Maybe they believe that like most other college coaches have figured out, there is a way to do with without leaving behind a massive trail.


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The wokeness of the NCAA opened a GIANT can of worms.


Right! The Wokeness of allowing capitalism where an individual can benefit from their work! Man, I hate that system.

I’m convinced anything some of y’all don’t like, you just blame wokeness!

Gas prices … wokeness! Ukraine invasion … wokeness! Diarrhea from Taco Bell…wokeness!


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LSU’s argument will be that all of the violations happen under a previous regime and that the new regime has since purged itself of all the “bad actors”.

Could the basketball program fall back into 30 years of mostly irrelevance? Sure. That is a very real concern…even if the NCAA were to give little to no sanctions.

But it is also true that basketball programs can be rebuilt very quickly. Look no further than the team that beat LSU last night.

Iowa St was 2-22 last season. After the season they fired their coach and ultimately 11 players left the team. That is essentially what will happen with the LSU program (albeit for different reasons). A year later Iowa St is in the NCAAT.

Arizona was in basically the same situation as LSU. Embattled HC accused of significant violations. Program in decline. They fired their HC after last season. A year later, with key transfers, they are one of the favorites to win the championship.

The fate of the program is now in Woodward’s hands. A great hire and LSU can be “back” (maybe even better) very quickly. A bad hire is going to lead to a 4-5 year waste of time. Choose wisely
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Jcorye1
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Either way... even if Woody would have told the NCAA to go F themselves, we would have to deal with this. The NCAA spent four years on this and they are desperate for blood. They would not have let this go.



I don't get this. Why do they leave Duke alone when LSU Football dwarfs Duke anything.


Pnels08
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How does Arizona and Louisville get coaches they want with sanctions looking but lsu is effed in the butt.


I got to think tScotty has some clue of what the NCAA plans on doing and he's got a decent plan to handle it.


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DeathValley85
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LSU’s argument will be that all of the violations happen under a previous regime and that the new regime has since purged itself of all the “bad actors”.


That has worked exactly zero times. We needed to tell the NCAA to get fricked and we didn’t. Prepare for the worst.


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I don't get this. Why do they leave Duke alone when LSU Football dwarfs Duke anything.


Why do they leave Duke alone?

Has evidence come out that Coach K was paying recruits and girlfriends out of his wife's checking account?


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LSUFanHouston
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That has worked exactly zero times.


That works absolutely all the time.

It doesn't mean we won't get any sanctions at all, but absolutely, self-punishment is a factor.


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NorthSider72
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I refuse to consider there's such a mindset of "cheat properly". You're not basketball, or sports fans. Just sorry arse people that think everyone cheats. I don't give a F or believe if everyone cheats. If so, let's just burn down college sports and move on to other worthy activities. I personally won't be part of lying to myself that we didn't beat Bama, or any other team, because they cheated better than us so we need to up our game and get more corrupt with more money.


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Woodman
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Amen brother . . .


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Woodman
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Because this is COLLEGE athletics. Duke is a blue blood along with Stanford, USC, UCLA and likely Michigan as top academic schools that can also field competitive teams. Georgia Tech, Rice and Vanderbilt also fit in this academic category. Tulane not so much since the point shaving fiasco.


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RogerTheShrubber
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We needed to tell the NCAA to get fricked and we didn’t.




The five stages of grief, I think this one is still on stage one, denial.


Sissidog02
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Well said, right now it just stings like a teenage girls breakup because her parents banned her from seeing the bad older teenage. Real b-ball fans know what happened but just can’t stand to watch other schools get away with it. WW brought us to a place we haven’t been in 25 years and now it’s all over in a puff of smoke. Football is the bread winner and B-ball will always be sacrificed for it. SW is here to bring in the bucks for LSU and even if WW was to get to the final four, it would never be the money that football brings in a soso year. SWs ego is huge and his loyalty to LSU is STRONG and no way would he risk his job or school for WW. We will move on from this but our basketball program is shot and it’s over for the foreseeable future. We won’t get a young stud coach because of the sanctions, probably a so so veteran coach for stability. The PMAC will go back to being a morgue, and the top recruits will not come to LSU for the sanctions and to play in front of 2000 fans, while the girls are the Draw. I love WW but he brought this on LSU & himself. SW had no choice really, so welcome back to obscurity in Mens b-ball. It’s kinda of like a prominent family with that one black sheep kid, Daddy SW still loves his kid but he won’t get talked about much anymore.


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Does the LSU administration actually believe that the next coach will not break NCAA rules to attract the best talent...


No but they will hire someone that doesn't do it so brazenly stupid and leaves evidence behind


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DeathValley85
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The five stages of grief, I think this one is still on stage one, denial.


It’s called an opinion dickhead. That’s my opinion. It will not change.


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tigersbb
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The cloud over this program - caused by WW's idiot inability to not cheat properly - will continue.


If Wade did cheat he cheated like every other coach was doing. Unfortunately he was dealing through an individual under FBI surveillance. There was no way for Wade to know this. It was just bad luck. The situation with the woman being paid was not LSU related.


BillF
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If Wade did cheat

If?


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