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re: Let’s talk 2018 Football
Posted on 6/8/18 at 2:25 pm to boxcar willie
Posted on 6/8/18 at 2:25 pm to boxcar willie
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Who would have known that Canada, a full grown adult, was such a thin skinned egomaniacal little prick.
Any one of his many previous employers.
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Posted on 6/8/18 at 2:25 pm to TigerLunatik
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Damn Willie, I've always respected your opinion even if I disagree.
Well that's dumb. Dude is an idiot. Like a less coherent Ree
Posted on 6/8/18 at 2:32 pm to boxcar willie
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I like the way he said frick the fans opinion and just hired the best guy for the job this time.
What are the chances that one of the top OC in college football has been our QB/TE coach for the past 10 years?
I'll say not very good and leave it at that.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 2:59 pm to Solo Cam
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We literally just fired Les for barely losing to Wisconsin, who won their division in the big 10 and 10 games, and Auburn who played in the Sugar Bowl.
I wouldn't use an 8-5 Auburn team to bolster your argument when O supporters have gotten ridiculed for using a win over 10-4 Auburn who beat both NCG opponents by double digits to bolster theirs.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:02 pm to UpToPar
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There's really no way to spin the Canada situation as anything other than a poor decision on Orgeron's part.
This is absolutely true. Whether he felt pressure or obligated to hire Canada doesn't really matter. It was ultimately his decision and, to me, by far the worst decision he's made as head coach of LSU. At the time, I thought in his "hire the best OC in the country" rhetoric, he was speaking in a generality. In retrospect, it's obvious to me though, that he was speaking specifically about Kiffin. So when LK didn't happen, he had boxed himself in a corner and either his pride, or his boss(es), held him to that pledge.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:06 pm to Tiger Ree
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that's his bosses. If your boss tells you to do something, do you refuse and tell him "I'm a man, I'm not doing what you say"?
O's supposed to be the expert here right? If you're the expert you stand your ground. What were they going to do, fire him before he coached a game?
Saban's not doing what his boss tells him to do. It's actually the other way around, he has everyone on that campus in the palm of his hand.
That's the way it is when you're a good coach. You don't get told what to do, you tell them what you need done and it gets done.
But we all know Orgeron didn't really have a backup plan after Kiffin went to FAU, so maybe that's part of the reason he just went out and got a coach that he knew nothing about.
This post was edited on 6/8/18 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:07 pm to TigerLunatik
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The fact that Canada didn't even remotely run the kind of offense that O wanted to run is why I question his evaluation of coaches.
Common sense tells me that Canada was forced on O by Alleva et al, but that's just pure speculation. If not, yes it defies logic and it wouldn't be the first time we've seen moves that defy logic.
Edit: I guess I should have continued reading the following posts because it appears I may have been correct.
This post was edited on 6/8/18 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:25 pm to BayouCowboy
I'm not so sure about that. He did similar things at Ole Miss.
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When I was a first-time head coach, I wanted to run the USC system,” Orgeron said at his weekly press luncheon Monday. “I loved the USC offense. And Noel Mazzone was my coordinator. And I forced the USC offense on him, and he didn’t know it well. Obviously, he’s a very successful offensive coordinator today (at Texas A&M). So, I thought that was a mistake on my part.
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This post was edited on 6/8/18 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:34 pm to TigerLunatik
I suppose that's possible as well. That certainly defies logic. I just look at the fact that the offense was obviously not what O envisioned and the speed with which the relationship soured leads me to believe O never bought in to the hire. Then there was the much reported Alleva intervention into the spat.
All of this points to a HC who had limited hiring authority and was force fed an OC he didn't want. I could be wrong, but from an outsiders view that's what it looks like to me.
All of this points to a HC who had limited hiring authority and was force fed an OC he didn't want. I could be wrong, but from an outsiders view that's what it looks like to me.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:37 pm to TigerLunatik
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Also, it should have been a red flag that Canada was in so many different t places in a short period of time. I certainly questioned it. He wasn't properly vetted.
I disagree.
Dave Doeren was the only HC before Orgeron who had fired him, and he hired him at two different schools. He left the other programs because the HC left (Indiana, Wisconsin) or he was offered a better job (NIU, Pitt).
Orgeron should've had a better idea of what Canada's offense was, but Canada's job history shouldn't have been an issue.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:38 pm to BayouCowboy
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I just look at the fact that the offense was obviously not what O envisioned
What exactly is the offense O envisioned? He's named about 3-4 different types of offenses he wants to run in the last couple years.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:40 pm to Solo Cam
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We literally just fired Les for barely losing to Wisconsin,
Good god. Even you don’t believe this. The Wisconsin game was the straw that broke the camel’s back.
Les said he would change the offense year after year, and the Wisconsin game proved that for the 4th year in a row, he didn’t. He was fired. End of story.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 7:22 pm to IM_4_LSU
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You're wearing LSU glasses.
Not really. I’m looking at it as a realistic stand point. Of course I’m optimistic but that doesn’t mean anything I am optimistic about is a pipe dream. I see a lot of people coming around here claiming to be a “realist” and claim LSU lose all these games. I think there’s a difference with being a realist and just being a negative person. Until LSU loses 6 games or has a year to that extent, then the REALITY is that we aren’t as bad as y’all WANT us to be.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 7:30 pm to lsu2006
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OK. Let's assume the offense was straight up bad. Let's also assume O didn't meddle at all. Let's even take it a step further assume that his offense was never, ever going to improve after the first year. The only conclusion that could be reached is O that made a terrible hire on his first major hire. Glad we can find some common ground
Canada sucked. I never said it was a good hire. He sucked and got canned and no contender wanted him. That gimmicky offense will play OK in the ACC and B1G, but it’s proven what it can do against the SEC.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 7:36 pm to The First Cut
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no contender wanted him.
Sounds eerily familiar
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That gimmicky offense will play OK in the ACC and B1G, but it’s proven what it can do against the SEC.
Proven? All of you people screaming about giving O a chance sure don’t seem eager to see how Canada’s offense could have progressed with a second year of work with our quarterbacks. Odd.
I personally thought there was at least a little bit of progress on the offensive side of the ball as the year went on. Guess we’ll never know if he could have been successful though. Here’s hoping Ensminger makes me not care about what could have been
This post was edited on 6/8/18 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 6/8/18 at 7:43 pm to lsu2006
At what point in any single game did you ever feel like Canada’s misdirection offense had confused any team? Never. It was a finesse offense that couldn’t finesse anyone.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 10:28 pm to Fishhead
Lol. I no rite?
Posted on 6/9/18 at 5:58 am to lsu2006
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no contender wanted him.
Sounds eerily familiar
My thought exactly.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 8:09 am to Solo Cam
We fired Les because he was a fuking idiot that was handed a big time championship program and brought it to mediocrity with no hope or reason to believe he was going to change coarse. period
Posted on 6/9/18 at 8:42 am to humanlement
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We fired Les because he was a fuking idiot that was handed a big time championship program and brought it to mediocrity with no hope or reason to believe he was going to change coarse. period
You got it dead on the head.
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