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re: Let’s talk 2018 Football
Posted on 6/7/18 at 10:45 pm to Solo Cam
Posted on 6/7/18 at 10:45 pm to Solo Cam
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We literally just fired Les for barely losing to Wisconsin
Les Miles was fired the day after the LSU team was celebrating a victory over Auburn. Only to find out that ONCE AGAIN the clock had expired on Les Miles and the LSU team had lost again due to his lack of knowing what a game clock's purpose is.
Do a quick google search for "les miles clock management":
A few Results you will see - the article titles and snippets seen from the search are listed:
"Les Miles Epic Fail - LSU vs. Ole Miss 11/21/09 (HQ) - YouTube"
Auburn game - "As same mistakes continue, Les Miles might be out of time at LSU - After this latest clock management blunder, Les Miles' clock might have finally run out, too. I know it was chaotic, but LSU wasted way too much time. Should've been sitting in formation, waiting to snap it…"
"Les Miles Blows Another Game with Poor Coaching and Clock - Penn State vs. LSU in the Florida Citrus Bowl, Joe Paterno vs. Les Miles, Class vs. Crazy. In that game, Les Miles shows why it's obvious he flunked Clock Management 101 in coach's school. Can at least one assistant coach please sit down and help Les Miles understand this area of coaching?"
"Coach Les Miles says LSU Tigers clock management gaffe addressed" - Then LSU runs out of time in his last loss at LSU.
This doesn't even include the Tennessee game where UT saved Les from another loss due to clock mismanagement. They had too many defenders on the field when the clock went to zero on LSU.
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Posted on 6/7/18 at 11:12 pm to Tiger Ree
So Les was fired over clock management.
So does that mean if O has worse records than Les while managing the clock better that he’s any better?
Holy shite.
So does that mean if O has worse records than Les while managing the clock better that he’s any better?
Holy shite.
Posted on 6/7/18 at 11:32 pm to 00 Tech Grad
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So Les was fired over clock management.
Didn't say that. But, he was not fired for barely losing to Wisconsin like was stated by the poster I was replying to.
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So does that mean if O has worse records than Les while managing the clock better that he’s any better?
Are you are trying to make that determination after his first season while playing over 30 freshmen including two starting most games on the O-line?
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Holy shite.
Ditto !!!
Posted on 6/7/18 at 11:46 pm to Solo Cam
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We literally just fired Les for barely losing to Wisconsin, who won their division in the big 10 and 10 games, and Auburn who played in the Sugar Bowl.
Should have just kept Les if we were going to lower our expectations.
Absolutely agree. I was ready for Les to leave in a hurry and at the time they canned him I thought it was a good move because you’d have 3+ months to find the best qualified coach........little did I know Alleva would hire a career DL coach and one of the worst coaches in SEC history that not 1 single D1 school was interested in hiring him to be an HC. Please name 1 school in the country that would’ve hired this guy. If anyone at LSU in their right mind would’ve properly evaluated O, the first thing to come to mind would be, “below average HC and a ceiling at mediocrity.”
The rest of the SEC and foes are still rejoicing this is the hire LSU made.
I’d never hope for LSU to lose and hope 0 is successful but those odds aren’t very good. Other than landing Joe Burrow he hasn’t done anything impressive. Aranda, Les brought him in and the ONLY reason he stayed at LSU is because he’s now the highest paid assistant in the country and he’ll have an opportunity to be LSUs HC.
If O has this team clicking and winning 10+ games and not losing to Sunbelt teams, I’ll gladly have my humble pie. I just believe the longer he’s here, the more the program will decline.
If he can finish 10-2 and sign the majority of in state stud recruits Louisiana has this year then he’ll be fine. If he has a mediocre season and out of state schools rape the in state talent, then it will set the program back a couple of years.
I hope my gut feeling on O is wrong though.
This post was edited on 6/7/18 at 11:50 pm
Posted on 6/7/18 at 11:46 pm to RECALCITRANT TIGER
We are 7 8 deep on the o line which is going to be a huge plus
Posted on 6/8/18 at 7:12 am to Bengal26
Studs everywhere as always. If Joe Joe is as good as advertised we can make some real noise. CEH is going to handle his, stout O line, receiving core looks like a NFL line up, and Steve E will cut it loose. Orgeron has more critics than supporters along with his staff (excluding Aranda) so I think he'll have our tigers ready.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 7:25 am to JJBTiger2012
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Orgeron has more critics than supporters along with his staff (excluding Aranda) so I think he'll have our tigers ready.
Sound logic here. I guess my dreams of being a porn star aren't dead yet.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 7:34 am to Four Leaf Tayback
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The rest of the SEC and foes are still rejoicing this is the hire LSU made.
Well that would be pretty stupid on their part. Since he took over as interim he has beaten every SEC team he has played at least once and some twice. But, not Alabama YET. How does a team lose to a coach and then rejoice over his hiring? Are LSU fans ecstatic that Saban was hired by Bama?
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Other than landing Joe Burrow he hasn’t done anything impressive.
That's it? One of the six transfers is the ONLY impressive move he has ever made at LSU? You should try following LSU sometime and find out about other stuff besides one QB being brought in.
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I’ll gladly have my humble pie
No need - everyone realizes this is just your opinion and don't really care what it is anyway.
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just believe the longer he’s here, the more the program will decline
Yeah, adding support staff to catch up with the rest of college football, hiring good position and recruiting coaches and adding depth on the O and D lines should certainly send LSU into a downward spiral. It has happened at every program that has ever attempted these drastic and horrible moves.
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I hope my gut feeling on O is wrong though.
No offense, but it seems your lack of knowledge of the program is what is causing the uneasy feeling in your stomach and not anything that is happening at LSU.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 7:53 am to Tiger Ree
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Since he took over as interim he has beaten every SEC team he has played at least once and some twice. But, not Alabama YET.
Since taking over as interim here are the SEC opponents he has played:
2016:
Mizzou (4-8, 2-6 SEC)- W
Ole Miss (5-7, 2-6 SEC)- W
Alabama (14-1, 8-0 SEC)- L
Arkansas (7-6, 3-5 SEC)- W
Florida (9-4, 6-2 SEC)- L
Texas A&M (8-5, 4-4 SEC)- W
To recap, 0 wins against a team with a winning conference record and only 2 wins against teams with an overall winning record.
2017:
State (9-4, 4-4 SEC)- L
Florida (4-7, 3-5 SEC)- W
Auburn (10-4, 7-1 SEC)- W
Ole Miss (6-6, 3-5 SEC)- W
Alabama (13-1, 7-1 SEC)- L
Arkansas (4-8, 1-7 SEC)- W
Tennessee (4-8, 0-8 SEC)- W
Texas a&m(7-6, 4-4 SEC)- W
Again, to recap, 1 win against an opponent with a winning conference record and only 2 wins against an opponent with a winning record overall.
So, in two years he has beaten one team with a winning record in the SEC on only 4 SEC opponents that finished the season above .500. Excuse me if I don't find that very impressive.
This post was edited on 6/8/18 at 9:09 am
Posted on 6/8/18 at 7:57 am to Tiger Ree
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adding support staff to catch up with the rest of college football, hiring good position and recruiting coaches
His history of coaching hires doesn't give you any concern of the quality of coaches he's hiring now? Obviously Pete Jenkins is a legend and he seemed to do a good job. Hugh Freeze would be another. Have there been any others? I'm not talking about what you think these new guys will do this year because I already know your opinion there.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 7:57 am to Bengal26
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With a defense that should be better, why we would we fall that much just because of offense?
Defense cannot carry a team like in years past. See LSU 2014. Hell look at the semi-final game with Georgia and Oklahoma, Georgia had a great defense but still had to score 40+ points. We also have a tough schedule, not a lot of room for error. And don't kid yourself theres a lot of unknown on defense cause there is a super thin secondary and unknown play at outside linebacker and middle linebacker at the position opposite white. You're wearing LSU glasses.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 8:10 am to Tiger Ree
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Since he took over as interim he has beaten every SEC team he has played at least once and some twice. But, not Alabama YET.
Wrong. He is 0-1 vs Mississippi state. And it was the worst loss to state in our history. I get you want to pump up O but he is not a great coach, he has done ok so far but he hasn't done anything to put fear into the SEC. He strengthened our lines that's a start but our corners are super thin and we have a lot of unknown at a lot of positions so just because there is depth doesnt mean they're going to be studs.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 8:20 am to TigerLunatik
2018
I think the #1 up-grade for 18 over 17 at the start of the season will be the better play of the OL and DL.
Joe @ QB is a wait and see but I suspect he will be a up-grade
The fun of any season is watching what happens !
I think the #1 up-grade for 18 over 17 at the start of the season will be the better play of the OL and DL.
Joe @ QB is a wait and see but I suspect he will be a up-grade
The fun of any season is watching what happens !
Posted on 6/8/18 at 8:23 am to IM_4_LSU
No message
I'm an idiot.
I'm an idiot.
This post was edited on 6/8/18 at 8:24 am
Posted on 6/8/18 at 8:35 am to TigerCliff777
The two line coaches are a question mark to me. I hope they are both great, but we'll see. I have a hard time trusting Orgeron's coaching hires after Canada and Joseph.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 8:37 am to Bengal26
I agree with others here that say the OL will be better than we think. A year ago, giving all of the transfers and inexperience, many of us thought the OL would be the worst part of last year's team and a revolving door for defenders. After the State game last year, they improved immensely. They held their own against good teams like Auburn and Alabama way better than I expected. If we get improvement from where we ended last year, we will be fine there.
As to what to expect this year, before we got Burrow, I was fixing to call Finebaum's show and tell him it would be a big struggle. I was expecting anywhere from 6-6 to 8-4 before Burrow. I might now up the range from 7-5 to 10-2 after getting him. It is all still a wildcard, but the ceiling has improved immensely IMO after landing him.
I was not for hiring Ensminger back, but I don't think he's an idiot at all and can probably field a competent offense. As bad as both O and E are portrayed nationally, their offense will be better schematically than anything Les attempted to put out in his last 4-5 years at LSU.
A lot of mystery this upcoming season. I think we fall around the middle of expectations ultimately (a 9-3 season with all of the games competitive).
As to what to expect this year, before we got Burrow, I was fixing to call Finebaum's show and tell him it would be a big struggle. I was expecting anywhere from 6-6 to 8-4 before Burrow. I might now up the range from 7-5 to 10-2 after getting him. It is all still a wildcard, but the ceiling has improved immensely IMO after landing him.
I was not for hiring Ensminger back, but I don't think he's an idiot at all and can probably field a competent offense. As bad as both O and E are portrayed nationally, their offense will be better schematically than anything Les attempted to put out in his last 4-5 years at LSU.
A lot of mystery this upcoming season. I think we fall around the middle of expectations ultimately (a 9-3 season with all of the games competitive).
This post was edited on 6/8/18 at 8:38 am
Posted on 6/8/18 at 8:40 am to airfernando
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wrong
Ok. Explain...
Posted on 6/8/18 at 8:42 am to TheDeathValley
I agree that it rests on the QB and coaching. God help us all.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 8:45 am to Bengal26
I agree with you. The conventional wisdom from the "experts" is selling us short and I'm getting annoyed at the groupthink.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 8:59 am to UpToPar
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Arkansas (4-8, 1-7 SEC)- L
uh.....
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