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re: Les Miles is suing LSU
Posted on 6/17/24 at 2:35 pm to atltiger6487
Posted on 6/17/24 at 2:35 pm to atltiger6487
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no, Les recruited elite players so that we had an athletic superiority over most team we played. So we won a lot of games, but it was due to raw talent, and in spite of Miles.
Hell, Gene Chizik and Larry Coker won NCs. Bad coaches can win a lot of games.
Les was lucky to be in a state with a ton of talent, and no real in-state competition. He kept most La kids, grabbed a few others from out-of-state, and we won on talent alone.
He was a poor game planner and a poor in-game coach. Yet he had enough talent to mask his weaknesses as a coach, and we won a lot of games.
Saban would likely agree that talent and culture are crucial, attributes that Les Miles possessed. He managed to keep egos in check and guided his team effectively, a contrast to Ed O's approach. If your argument held any substance, then Les Miles' success would be evident at LSU today, but it isn't. This isn't merely an opinion; it's a fact. Brian Kelly is nearing 10 wins in bowl games during the CFP era, which, in my opinion, does not equate to the achievements we had come to expect under Les Miles in the BCS era, where players were less likely to sit out those games. I'm not criticizing Brian Kelly; I'm merely pointing out that he has not yet matched Les Miles' record. It's an accomplishment that has not been replicated thus far.
This post was edited on 6/17/24 at 2:41 pm
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Posted on 6/17/24 at 2:40 pm to atltiger6487
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no, Les recruited elite players so that we had an athletic superiority over most team we played. So we won a lot of games, but it was due to raw talent, and in spite of Miles.
Hell, Gene Chizik and Larry Coker won NCs. Bad coaches can win a lot of games.
Les was lucky to be in a state with a ton of talent, and no real in-state competition. He kept most La kids, grabbed a few others from out-of-state, and we won on talent alone.
He was a poor game planner and a poor in-game coach. Yet he had enough talent to mask his weaknesses as a coach, and we won a lot of games.
You can say this in 2024. Prior to 1/9, you could not name more than 2-3 coaches you'd have wanted running LSU over him. And honestly 2012, and 2013 weren't bad years for Les either. His record was impossible to ignore,
And so what if he was just better at recruiting, that's a huge part of being a successful college coach. You think Saban is still the goat if he sucked arse recruiting?
Posted on 6/17/24 at 2:45 pm to jbird7
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Sabans first year with, with Shulas players.
You mean players that went into the 2005 LSU game undefeated and ranked in the top five?
Love how history is rewritten for Saban like he came into completely decimated programs. Let's not act like he inherited a situation like Coach Prime did.
He took programs with decent/good talent and elevated them to the next step.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 2:46 pm to ell_13
I don’t agree the wins should have been vacated. It was definitely chicken shite, but LSU owes Miles nothing. He was well compensated. He was also very lucky not to be fired at least a couple of times. His BS with the college girls was total nonsense.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 2:48 pm to magildachunks
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You mean players that went into the 2005 LSU game undefeated and ranked in the top five?
The 2007 Alabama team that Saban inherited from Shula had 7 future NFL players on it. It's funny how even most Alabama fans are blind to the fact that there was already plenty of talent in Tuscaloosa when Saban arrived. Talent was never their problem. Same as LSU.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 2:53 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:yes, of course recruiting is a huge part of coaching. And Les was very good at that. But merely amassing elite players is only part of running a sustainable, great program.
And so what if he was just better at recruiting, that's a huge part of being a successful college coach. You think Saban is still the goat if he sucked arse recruiting?
A coach has to develop those elite players, design schemes that fit his players' talents, design good game-planning to exploit opponents weaknesses and negate their strengths, and manage in-game decisions in real time. Les was not good at this stuff.
So he won a lot of games. But in my opinion, he underperformed many years, given the immense talent he had on the roster.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 2:55 pm to ell_13
"He was a gooooooooooood man"
signed,
rantards for years
well.........until now
signed,
rantards for years
well.........until now
Posted on 6/17/24 at 2:57 pm to atltiger6487
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. But merely amassing elite players is only part of running a sustainable, great program.
It worked for a fricking decade and got us a title and 2 sec titles. No one besides Alabama would not take that during that time.
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A coach has to develop those elite players, design schemes that fit his players' talents, design good game-planning to exploit opponents weaknesses and negate their strengths, and manage in-game decisions in real time. Les was not good at this stuff.
So you just ignored the first 5 or so years he was here where he made all sorts of whacky calls that worked. The revisionist history when it comes to Les is infuriating.
Using your metric for underperforming, Saban was a fricking bum too for not winning more titles.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 3:21 pm to Nutriaitch
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... finishing 2nd puts him above them.
sure thing Nutria; one natty + finishing 2nd does not equal HOF. finishing 2nd equals last place in a championship game.
you have to look at the complete work of the coach. the mistakes/miscues he made during his career at LSU may possibly have been overlooked had he corrected them; but he did not and would not because of his inflated ego.
Joe Alleva was foolish and failed the university, team and fans by not replacing Miles after the aTm game in 2015.
and knowing now the 'rest of the story' regarding Miles, solidified the need for his dismissal.
just sayin'
Posted on 6/17/24 at 3:23 pm to ell_13
He probably owes LSU 100k worth of sod he ate up..
Posted on 6/17/24 at 3:37 pm to ell_13
Well maybe he wasn’t a pervert he wouldn’t have had his wins vacated.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 3:41 pm to Forever
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It wasn’t fun at all. It was the most brutally boring stretch of football I’ve ever tried to watch and most of my friends lost interest by the end of Les’ tenure.
What
That's a you problem. There were frustrating times in Les' tenure but there were some seriously fun years too. Posted on 6/17/24 at 3:46 pm to LNCHBOX
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... outcoached Saban several times
your math skills are horrible. 3 wins against Saban does not equal several.
and your response to jbird7 regarding "3 (or 4), is absolutely several" is comical.
so, 3 (or 4) equals several according to your math?
are you in kindergarten or elementary school? 
Posted on 6/17/24 at 3:49 pm to jbird7
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That spike with one second left down a a score against ole miss in 2009 should forever disqualify him for the HOF.
Actually it did.... his win percentage after the vacated wins is so close that literally one more win and he's still eligible. So with better clock management in Oxford...
Posted on 6/17/24 at 3:54 pm to s2
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your math skills are horrible. 3 wins against Saban does not equal several.
and your response to jbird7 regarding "3 (or 4), is absolutely several" is comical.
so, 3 (or 4) equals several according to your math? are you in kindergarten or elementary school?
quote:
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more than two but not many.
Any other great contributions to teh thread?
Posted on 6/17/24 at 4:42 pm to BrohemAlem11
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That spike with one second left down a a score against ole miss in 2009 should forever disqualify him for the HOF.
Actually it did.... his win percentage after the vacated wins is so close that literally one more win and he's still eligible. So with better clock management in Oxford...
That is hilarious.
This post was edited on 6/17/24 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 6/17/24 at 4:51 pm to ell_13
LSU should counter-sue saying Les' decision to continue running the toss dive cost them chances of winning National Titles.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 5:01 pm to ell_13
hope they counter and sue him for all the buyout money they paid him due to his own stupidity and refusal to discipline and be a man of courage and values.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 5:36 pm to ell_13
quote:Speedy will be by shortly to make his case for him.
Les Miles is suing LSU
Posted on 6/17/24 at 5:43 pm to Big Scrub TX
Don’t forget about that 05 team. That LSU team accomplished a lot. Losing to Tennessee in OT on a Monday night game that was humid as hell. Moving the Arizona St game to Arizona St and squeaking out a win. Getting beat by Georgia in the SEC championship game after not having a true bye week. I wonder what they could have done if circumstances would have been different.
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