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re: Les Miles better recruiter than Coach O
Posted on 7/26/22 at 8:01 am to Earthquake 88
Posted on 7/26/22 at 8:01 am to Earthquake 88
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Seemed like he recruited from the inside out instead of the outside in.
Never thought of it this way before. This was likely by design. I was always aware that we didn’t have great NFL OT’s, and it never made any sense why Cam Robinson from LSU loving West Monroe would go to Alabama. This was his “business decision”. Les wasn’t going to showcase his pass blocking skill set. Les knew what he was going to do with his offense. Why waste room on pass protection when we aren’t going to pass any damn way.
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Posted on 7/26/22 at 8:08 am to 225batonrouge
O's recruiting abilities were always overrated.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 8:47 am to SportsGuyNOLA
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You’re an imbecile if you think that is acceptable.
he didn't say it was acceptable.
he said other coaches in the world have wasted more than he did.
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Any decent HC wouldve won multiple NC’s with that talent
maybe.
we are still in the same division as Alabama.
and you can count on one finger the number of current coaches that have beaten Saban more than once.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 8:48 am to Jack Crevalle
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Les Miles better recruiter than Coach O
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Are we talking players, or blondes?
we don't know what Les' blondes actually look like.
O at least had the decency to provide us with pics.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 8:52 am to 225batonrouge
Orgeron was a great recruiter. He just couldn’t be both a recruiter and a head coach.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 8:53 am to SportsGuyNOLA
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You’re an imbecile if you think that is acceptable. Any decent HC wouldve won multiple NC’s with that talent.
Yet no coach in LSU’s history has won at a higher percentage. But ANY coach could’ve done better.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 9:02 am to CottonWasKing
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His problem is his philosophy didn't work the last 5 years of his tenure.
It was a big longer than that.
His philosophy killed our title chances in 2006. 2006 was a superior overall team to 2011 and we lost 2 games due to Les's conservatism on offense.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 9:04 am to OzChuffnugg
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Yet no coach in LSU’s history has won at a higher percentage.
Saban left a stacked team and program. Les rode that for a LONG time.
Also, we just saw what an absolute idiot like O could do with all the resources/potential of LSU. A guy with a sub-100 IQ and emotional problems won a natty. So yeah it's a valid argument to say "anyone could have done better" given what a terrible idiot like O was able to do.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 9:07 am to 225batonrouge
While recruiting and evaluation are intertwined, O was much better with a recruit, Miles was better at evaluation. O was really good at closing the deal, when someone else had done the player evaluation and pointing him in the right direction.
Miles always had a player on campus for some kind of camp to determine how they faired against other high level players. This was how he was able to get in some lower rated players that turned into stars. O tended to recruit based strictly on the star system once he was in charge.
Miles always had a player on campus for some kind of camp to determine how they faired against other high level players. This was how he was able to get in some lower rated players that turned into stars. O tended to recruit based strictly on the star system once he was in charge.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 9:17 am to 225batonrouge
Any half decent recruiter can recruit the LSU Brand. You have to be a bad recruiter not to do even average at LSU.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 9:18 am to 225batonrouge
O was a great recruiter as an assistant coach. He needed direction and supervision. Point him at a target and stand back.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 9:20 am to 225batonrouge
Les was a good recruiter....too bad he was the HBC
Posted on 7/26/22 at 9:33 am to 225batonrouge
Ed owns the ignominious title of worst recruiting class in modern program history for his 2018 class. Guy was also pitiful at roster management.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 9:39 am to 225batonrouge
I don't disagree with your overall statement.
This, however, is not a fair comparison.
Les had a big head start on Saban and much of Les' tenure against Saban was prior to the Saban machine being at full power.
O, on the other hand, had to try to catch up to Saban, who already had the machine running at top speed.
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we were just as talented as Alabama year in and year out.
This, however, is not a fair comparison.
Les had a big head start on Saban and much of Les' tenure against Saban was prior to the Saban machine being at full power.
O, on the other hand, had to try to catch up to Saban, who already had the machine running at top speed.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 9:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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Also, we just saw what an absolute idiot like O could do with all the resources/potential of LSU. A guy with a sub-100 IQ and emotional problems won a natty. So yeah it's a valid argument to say "anyone could have done better" given what a terrible idiot like O was able to do.
But 0 is "anyone other than Les" and he did worse, the argument is already invalid
Posted on 7/26/22 at 9:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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what an absolute idiot like O could do with all the resources/potential of LSU.
and if a Joe Burrow decides not to transfer, what does O accomplish?
sure O gets credit for landing him, but Joe even being available is a ridiculous stroke of luck.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 9:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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Saban left a stacked team and program. Les rode that for a LONG time.
Miles’ best years came 3 and 8 seasons removed from Saban. If we are gonna give all the credit to Saban…then 2019 must be on Miles then right? 2019 was three seasons removed from Miles.
No! Nobody would say that was on Miles. So that argument is weak.
This post was edited on 7/26/22 at 9:59 am
Posted on 7/26/22 at 12:26 pm to OzChuffnugg
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then 2019 must be on Miles then right?
The coach who is most responsible for 2019 isn't Les Miles or Ed Orgeron; it's this guy:
Posted on 7/26/22 at 12:26 pm to OzChuffnugg
quote:Additionally, W/L records reflect Miles actually won more consistently with Saban's players.
Miles’ best years came 3 and 8 seasons removed from Saban
Posted on 7/26/22 at 12:59 pm to BhamTigah
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much of Les' tenure against Saban was prior to the Saban machine being at full power.
How long do you think it took Saban to get his machine up to full power?
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