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re: Legitimate Question for CBK or Joe Sloan!
Posted on 10/4/24 at 11:15 am to lsulaw91
Posted on 10/4/24 at 11:15 am to lsulaw91
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Why does LSU run the RPO now when everyone knows Garrett Nussmeier is not going to run the ball?
Why do LSU fans still not know the difference between RPO and Read Option offenses?
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Posted on 10/4/24 at 11:16 am to lsulaw91
I have seen Nuss run so that is an option. It may not be imminent like Jayden but it is still there.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 11:20 am to lsulaw91
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Wow! check the mirror first.
We all say dumb shite from time to time. Just laugh at yourself, like we are all doing, and move on. You’re wrong. Accept it.
This post was edited on 10/4/24 at 11:21 am
Posted on 10/4/24 at 11:35 am to lsulaw91
I can't help but admire whenever someone gets absolutely blasted, as well as proven wrong, yet they are so incredibly simple that they return and keep arguing their wrong point anyway.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 12:20 pm to lsulaw91
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Why does LSU run the RPO now when everyone knows Garrett Nussmeier is not going to run the ball? Obviously with Jayden Daniels the threat was real. Shouldn't we run something that optimizing our offensive production. Just my thoughts!!!
A lot of people think that any time the QB hands the ball off out of the shotgun, it's a zone read. Watch the blocking schemes. The vast majority of LSU's shotgun runs are blocked as normal running plays and not as zone reads.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 12:33 pm to lsulaw91
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:20 pm to lsulaw91
Urban Meyer giving a good breakdown on the RPO and its origins on the Fox pregame show a few years back
LINK
Spoiler alert: he claims his '04 Utah team with Alex Smith at QB "invented" the RPO by accident, and it was basically an offshoot of the zone read
Obviously it's evolved since then and different coaches have their own takes on the RPO now.
LINK
Spoiler alert: he claims his '04 Utah team with Alex Smith at QB "invented" the RPO by accident, and it was basically an offshoot of the zone read
Obviously it's evolved since then and different coaches have their own takes on the RPO now.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:33 pm to lsulaw91
RPO is a broad term to describe many different types of plays in the modern spread offense. There’s the alert read, which is a quick pass to the perimeter presnap read tacked on to a run play. Then there are three levels of post snap RPOs. The first level is basically read triple option where the QB reads the end man for give or keep. There is usually a flats, bubble, or a swing route to the read side for the QB to either keep or throw. The second level is a run with a slant by a WR behind it. The QB reads a LB to the route side for the give/throw. The third level is a deep pass behind a run concept and the QB reads the safety.
Now back to your question, LSU runs a lot of the 1st level RPOs with the TE in the flats. Nussmeier, while not as fast as Daniels was, is more than capable of running the ball on these. They just don’t let him. If he gets hurt on a read option play then the season is a complete wash. And the run game is too inconsistent to use 2nd and 3rd level RPOs.
Now back to your question, LSU runs a lot of the 1st level RPOs with the TE in the flats. Nussmeier, while not as fast as Daniels was, is more than capable of running the ball on these. They just don’t let him. If he gets hurt on a read option play then the season is a complete wash. And the run game is too inconsistent to use 2nd and 3rd level RPOs.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:41 pm to kew48
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Run-pass-option includes a run either by the qb or the back. In our case it’s just the back. It would essentially be the same as a fake handoff with a pass option.
That is 100% false.
Why the hell would it be called a run PASS option if the only two options are runs?
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:58 pm to HammerheadLincoln
Didn’t say it was only run options. I said it INCLUDES two run options !
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:06 pm to ATLTiger
Several of those options are not available to LSU by the decision to not allow Nuss to run. At least at this stage and defenses are reacting to it appropriately. Unless LSU allows him run they will continue to defend LSU that way.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:19 pm to wish i was tebow
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Disregarding the RPO stuff and answering the why do a read when they know nuss isnt going to run. I would say at some point they are going to have him run against a team that sells out on the RB later in the year. Put on film you dont want him to run so defenses don't respect it.
you don’t need to run the QB to keep teams from selling out to stop your RB
RPOs and tradition PA plays do that.
Mixing your run and passes well does that too.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 3:40 pm to JiminyCricket
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People think the read option he ran against Bama (That might be a heisman moment right there!) was an RPO...It wasn't. It was basic read option.
I didnt think it was either but I would have to look again to make a decidion. I thought it was a straight up QB naked bootleg.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 3:44 pm to GetmorewithLes
That’s classic read option.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 4:13 pm to lsulaw91
quote:Because if run correctly it is awesome. What are you thinking we are running btw? Nuss is a great RPO qb and we have the guys to make the intermediate stuff a real threat.
Why does LSU run the RPO now
Posted on 10/4/24 at 4:34 pm to jdawg
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A lot of people think that any time the QB hands the ball off out of the shotgun, it's a zone read. Watch the blocking schemes. The vast majority of LSU's shotgun runs are blocked as normal running plays and not as zone reads.
I feel like this is conflating two things.
LSU hasn’t been running nearly as much zone this year as we have the past few years (since 2019ish). We have been running a lot more gap scheme - mainly counter. So yes if you watch the majority of our run plays this year you will not see zone blocking because we don’t run as much zone as we used to. Although, ironically, it seems like most of our successful running plays have been inside and outside zone. I digress..
However, you can run counter reads just like you can run zone reads. Zone reads are certainly more common, but counter reads are not unheard of. The zone blocking (or lack thereof) doesn’t really tell you whether there is a QB run option on the play.
Most of the time when we run inside zone, it’s just.. inside zone. Or it’s a zone RPO. You really have to watch the QB and the WRs, more than the OL, to tell whether it’s a zone read or a ”straight up” zone run. If the QB runs at the opposite edge and the WRs are run blocking it was probably a zone read. If the QB drops back and picks his hands up while the WRs are running routes, it was probably an RPO. If the QB drops back and picks his hands up while the WRs are run blocking, it was probably a straight run call where the QB was just finishing his fake.
But none of that is necessarily true 100% of the time.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 5:57 pm to oldskule
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Your question is a good one....
No it’s not
Posted on 10/4/24 at 7:24 pm to JiminyCricket
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That’s classic read option.
Normally I would agree with you but in that replay Joe doesnt read anyone. He fakes it to the RB (doesnt even look at the right side DE) and takes off even though the Left side DE is coming on him but JJ2 hit him in the gut to hold him up. Also look at CEH, two steps past the handoff mesh point he throws a block. With JJ2 blocking down and Chase blocking out looks like QB run left.
Joe was straight up running a bootleg on that play. Its possible that the play was a RO and Joe just plain decided that he was taking it presnap. I dont think Joe's mindset was that he was going to let a RB get stuffed in the line on a huge 3rd and 2.
Posted on 10/5/24 at 9:06 am to lsulaw91
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Why does LSU run the RPO now when everyone knows Garrett Nussmeier is not going to run the ball? Obviously with Jayden Daniels the threat was real. Shouldn't we run something that optimizing our offensive production. Just my thoughts!!!
Number 1. We do run a lot of RPOs and they are very successful. We have RPO with a receiver breaking in on a slant. We have RPOs with the tight end crossing face into the flat to give the look of split zone. And we have RPOs with a receiver motioning at the snap and hitting the flat.
Number 2. We do NOT run Read-Option which you are referring to. So Nuss is not going to pull it. Its a straight give. Its why we have stopped running inside zone for the most part and instead run split zone, counter, power, or outside zone. Because that defensive end crashing was blowing up the plays on inside zone.
Number 3. Zone Reads do not have to be run for our offense to keep the ends from crashing that hard. That is what our counters, jet sweeps, toss plays, and RPOs can do that.
Posted on 10/5/24 at 4:23 pm to GetmorewithLes
We must be looking at two different plays. That’s about as classic read option as it gets. This is a bootleg. 
#9 reads that the OLB crashes (it’s irrelevant that he runs into Jefferson). Point is is that his hips and back in turned to the sideline. That’s a “pull” read every time and that is 100% classic zone read option.
#9 reads that the OLB crashes (it’s irrelevant that he runs into Jefferson). Point is is that his hips and back in turned to the sideline. That’s a “pull” read every time and that is 100% classic zone read option.
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