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Posted on 5/7/11 at 10:06 am to Leonides
Leonides, you have to watch oregon against more than one team to get a feel for a scheme. There is no way we defend your team the same way we did against Auburn.
Posted on 5/7/11 at 10:38 am to bisonduck
Sam Montgomery may not start for LSU, but he will definitely be in the mix for playing time. He injured his knee against Tennessee in the 5th game last season. So, by the time August practice begins, he will have had 10 months to rehab. From all reports I have read, he should be ready to go. LSU has had very good success in the past when getting players healthy from knee injuries.
Even if Montgomery is not ready to play, LSU still has plenty of good players and depth at DE.
Even if Montgomery is not ready to play, LSU still has plenty of good players and depth at DE.
Posted on 5/7/11 at 11:31 am to bisonduck
quote:
I heard Montgomery is coming back from surgery and shouldn't be relied upon as the starter.
If he's back 100% he's the starter, no doubt. Lavar Edwards did well in replacement last year, so either way we're good.
Posted on 5/7/11 at 12:30 pm to TxTiger82
quote:
Starting line will be
DE Sam Montgomery
DT Michael Brockers
DT Josh Downs
DE Ken Adams
Montgomery and Adams are returning starters. Lavar Edwards replaced Montgomery as starter when he went out last year, and he will rotate in on both sides of the line. Mingo is another DE we rotate in and he has 4.4 speed at 240 lbs. The freshman 5-star, Anthony "The Freak" Johnson will rotate in at DT.
LBers will be
OLB Baker (ret.)
MLB Minter
OLB Francois (ret.)
Key here is not talent but leadership. Shep was the leader.
Do not be surprised if Barrow starts & plays beside Baker in Nickel, which we'll see a ton of against Oregon.
Also, Downs is not even close to starting. Don't be surprised (#2) when Freak Johnson gets the start at Defensive Tackle against the Ducks.
Also, do not be surprised (#3) if Mingo gets the start at Defensive End. If he can play with patience, he's a prototype Defensive End to go against a mid-line option Spread Offense.
This post was edited on 5/7/11 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 5/7/11 at 12:43 pm to GFunk
The only issue I have with Mingo is over pursuit. Oregon runs a lot of misdirection. Our ends are going to have to play very smart.
Posted on 5/7/11 at 12:43 pm to windriver
What is so "gimmicky" about our offense? That we run hurry up every play? Or is it the zone read that is so gimmicky? Really, this nonsense about being gimmicky and players being a product of the system is absurd - every player is a product of their system.
I also don't get why you think that having a huge TOP discrepancy will help you, under Chip we've always had horrible TOP because of how quickly we play on O. If you want a single key, its this: a disciplined front 7. Boise didn't overpower our OL and even against OSU, Heyward was the only one who really stood out but it was the defense playing together as a single unit that allowed for that.
As Bison has mentioned, we've got some really talented TEs and going off what we saw in the SG, we're going to be using more double tight sets and even lining up under C - it would seem to me that we're going to be passing a bit more early on since pass blocking is easier than run blocking.
As for Oregon having no defense, blah blah blah. We sell out to stop the run and if JJ can't hit his throws over the top and convert on 3rd down, you're not going to score many points. You guys have a great secondary, but you also are forgetting the fact that so do we and DT is a much better qb than JJ is.
It's going to be a heck of a game, but if your front 7 (and ss) don't play disciplined and get our of their lanes, it may not be a pretty day for you guys. The opener can't get here soon enough.
I also don't get why you think that having a huge TOP discrepancy will help you, under Chip we've always had horrible TOP because of how quickly we play on O. If you want a single key, its this: a disciplined front 7. Boise didn't overpower our OL and even against OSU, Heyward was the only one who really stood out but it was the defense playing together as a single unit that allowed for that.
As Bison has mentioned, we've got some really talented TEs and going off what we saw in the SG, we're going to be using more double tight sets and even lining up under C - it would seem to me that we're going to be passing a bit more early on since pass blocking is easier than run blocking.
As for Oregon having no defense, blah blah blah. We sell out to stop the run and if JJ can't hit his throws over the top and convert on 3rd down, you're not going to score many points. You guys have a great secondary, but you also are forgetting the fact that so do we and DT is a much better qb than JJ is.
It's going to be a heck of a game, but if your front 7 (and ss) don't play disciplined and get our of their lanes, it may not be a pretty day for you guys. The opener can't get here soon enough.
Posted on 5/7/11 at 1:14 pm to TigerInAnnArbor
The #1 key is Chavis.
Will he want to get penetration in the backfield or play read and react and corners play 7 yds off the line of scrimmage?
Chavis hasnt done well vs the spread at all.
His game plan for Auburn was terrible to put it mildly. Thank goodness for special teams for keeping that game close.
Will he want to get penetration in the backfield or play read and react and corners play 7 yds off the line of scrimmage?
Chavis hasnt done well vs the spread at all.
His game plan for Auburn was terrible to put it mildly. Thank goodness for special teams for keeping that game close.
Posted on 5/7/11 at 1:17 pm to Duck07
LSU has talented TE's also: Deangelo Peterson, Mitch Joseph, Nick Jacobs, Chase Clement and Tyler Edwards. All 5 are legitimately good players and will see the field at some point. Oregon has a good team, but to say Oregon's talent and depth is on par with LSU's is ridiculous.
And you can stack the box with 8 or 9 defenders and LSU is still going to run the ball with success. LSU faces better run defenses than yours within our own division of the SEC in Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas and Mississippi State.
And you can stack the box with 8 or 9 defenders and LSU is still going to run the ball with success. LSU faces better run defenses than yours within our own division of the SEC in Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas and Mississippi State.
Posted on 5/7/11 at 1:40 pm to TigerInAnnArbor
run the shite out of the ball and slow the game down, which nobody felt like doing last year outside of ASU, Cal and Auburn
Posted on 5/7/11 at 1:54 pm to WelcomeToDeathValley
Good point. We had one of the better run games in the conference last year and everyone stacked the box on us.
This game is going to get so much hype it's rediculous. Going to be a huge launching pad for the winner.
This game is going to get so much hype it's rediculous. Going to be a huge launching pad for the winner.
Posted on 5/7/11 at 1:59 pm to TheBob
quote:
Chavis.
I don't care how good of players we have. If we have guys running all over the field like they're lost, it won't matter. (i.e., Ole Miss, Auburn 2010)
Boom
That is why I have been saying 2-2 or 1-3 to start the year because we have not proven we can stop a true spread O since he has been at LSU. He plays containment D and uses the end zone as an extra player to keep the opponent out of it. That being said, our young secondary, while it may end up better than last year, will be at a disadvantage in the early part of this season due to lack of experience especially without our 2 best players, KS and PP.
Chavis was always commenting last season how KS was so intelligent and such a student of the game, etc. I believe he was the glue for our D last season and more valuable to the D than PP FWIW.
Posted on 5/7/11 at 2:46 pm to GFunk
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Do not be surprised if Barrow starts & plays beside Baker in Nickel, which we'll see a ton of against Oregon.
Also, Downs is not even close to starting. Don't be surprised (#2) when Freak Johnson gets the start at Defensive Tackle against the Ducks.
Also, do not be surprised (#3) if Mingo gets the start at Defensive End. If he can play with patience, he's a prototype Defensive End to go against a mid-line option Spread Offense.
I'm pretty sure all of this is wrong. Barrow backs up two positions. Downs is a starter. and Mingo is not.
Got any more?
Posted on 5/7/11 at 2:49 pm to Duck07
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As Bison has mentioned, we've got some really talented TEs and going off what we saw in the SG, we're going to be using more double tight sets and even lining up under C - it would seem to me that we're going to be passing a bit more early on since pass blocking is easier than run blocking.
If the plan is to play 7 down blockers and run to the edges against our speedy front 7, I don't think that is going to be very successful.
I agree with you about staying disciplined. I also agree with the overpursuit comment, whoever made it.
Posted on 5/7/11 at 5:04 pm to windriver
quote:
#14
Correction: It's No. 7 now.
Obvious answer to the thread is dominate the line of scrimage, which is pretty well cover in the above posts.
My No. 2 would be field position. Win that battle; force Oregon to sustain long drives; and look to force turnovers.
Posted on 5/7/11 at 5:17 pm to TxTiger82
I don't think most Ducks fans believe they are getting a lot of yards against LSU. I could see us getting a lot if LSU doesn't put together a good scheme or decides to play undisciplined. However, I think we all know it's going to be a dogfight.
I think most Tiger fans believe that can run the ball at us with ease. That is where I believe you are mistaken. There were plenty of times that LSU put up anemic numbers and you can say that's because it's the SEC west. However, last I checked Oregon's defense was really good. Ross is telling you it had to do with our scheme.
The last time we had 35 points put up on our defense was in '09 against Stanford. That game was a trap game in every sense of the word and I just don't see that happening again. Even in our losses against tOSU, BSU, and Auburn our defense didn't let us down. The only time they did was against Stanford and the '11 defense doesn't have the same issues as '09.
Oregon fans have been gushing about this defense. This is very atypical. Last year the staff gushed about the defense but the fans were leary. This is the first year that I can remember that most fans think the defense can carry the team.
I think most Tiger fans believe that can run the ball at us with ease. That is where I believe you are mistaken. There were plenty of times that LSU put up anemic numbers and you can say that's because it's the SEC west. However, last I checked Oregon's defense was really good. Ross is telling you it had to do with our scheme.
The last time we had 35 points put up on our defense was in '09 against Stanford. That game was a trap game in every sense of the word and I just don't see that happening again. Even in our losses against tOSU, BSU, and Auburn our defense didn't let us down. The only time they did was against Stanford and the '11 defense doesn't have the same issues as '09.
Oregon fans have been gushing about this defense. This is very atypical. Last year the staff gushed about the defense but the fans were leary. This is the first year that I can remember that most fans think the defense can carry the team.
This post was edited on 5/7/11 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 5/7/11 at 5:24 pm to bisonduck
I think I cover our fanbase pretty well when I say we should be fielding the best O-Line at LSU since 07. Add to that Ware seems to be the best back we have had since Addai. If you stuff our running game, we are going to have major problems. I just don't see it though. This line may be the best we have fielded in a decade (obviously we play the games for a reason).
Posted on 5/7/11 at 5:55 pm to BigEdLSU
You will need JJ to play well to get anywhere near 35. Terrell Pryor played probably his finest game to get 26 on Oregon. Luck was dropping dimes. I mean placing the ball where only the receiver could catch it with a db draped on him. Oregon goes all out on the run and leaves a more than capable secondary to themselves.
This post was edited on 5/7/11 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 5/7/11 at 6:32 pm to bisonduck
kRags will find the weakness in the O's D. Get ready.
Can the O stop LSU's Offense?
What kRags said about practice with the Saints DC, Gregg Williams:
Kragthorpe was the Bills' quarterbacks coach in 2001-02 during Williams three-year stint there and said practices for the offense were a challenge.
"Gregg was great," Kragthorpe said during his introductory press conference at LSU Monday. "What a phenomenal person and one heck of a football coach. The hardest part about working for Gregg was that Gregg was a defensive guy, so every day in practice you were seeing, I mean, that guy blitzes from everywhere. It was like Canadian football - he was bringing 12 or 14 guys all the time, it looked like.
"Then when you got into a game it was like, 'Gosh, we're playing against a vanilla defense' if we played somebody that wasn't nearly as aggressive as Gregg was. Gregg is a great person, a great football coach and I learned a lot from Gregg."
Can the O stop LSU's Offense?
What kRags said about practice with the Saints DC, Gregg Williams:
Kragthorpe was the Bills' quarterbacks coach in 2001-02 during Williams three-year stint there and said practices for the offense were a challenge.
"Gregg was great," Kragthorpe said during his introductory press conference at LSU Monday. "What a phenomenal person and one heck of a football coach. The hardest part about working for Gregg was that Gregg was a defensive guy, so every day in practice you were seeing, I mean, that guy blitzes from everywhere. It was like Canadian football - he was bringing 12 or 14 guys all the time, it looked like.
"Then when you got into a game it was like, 'Gosh, we're playing against a vanilla defense' if we played somebody that wasn't nearly as aggressive as Gregg was. Gregg is a great person, a great football coach and I learned a lot from Gregg."
Posted on 5/7/11 at 6:35 pm to LSUDad
Is Krag going to have autonomy over the offense?
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