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re: Key to stopping Oregon's Offense?

Posted on 5/6/11 at 6:19 pm to
Posted by TigerInAnnArbor
Ann Arbor, Mi
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 5/6/11 at 6:19 pm to
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I seriously thought this was a revived thread from 2006 or something about Ed Orgeron's offense...



My mistake. Please excuse my dyslexia.

But agree with the general assessment so far. We are going to need to run the ball well and keep them on the sidelines.

I'm not sure if the rumors about their weak o-line will hold up, but I do know they lost some depth at linebacker, which could be a huge advantage for us.
Posted by Kid Charlemagne
Lawrenceville, GA
Member since Dec 2010
1709 posts
Posted on 5/6/11 at 6:30 pm to
The key to stopping any offense is the defensive line play. If you don't have time to pass (due to pass rush), you will have major difficulty scoring. If you don't have any running lines due to the defensive line plugging up holes and pushing the offensive line back, you will have major difficulty scoring.
Posted by LSUTIGER in TEXAS
Member since Jan 2008
13611 posts
Posted on 5/6/11 at 6:36 pm to
to stop their offense, you must make them throw the football. as auburn proved (with superior DL play), stop their run, stop their O. yes, theyll get a couple big plays, but thomas isnt the efficient passer compared to his running. when oregon runs the football, you feel like an 8 yard gain is a win. but if you shut it down and force passing, its simply not as efficient- its not what theyre built to do. they cant do the ultra hurry up when they have incomplete passes, they cant get into a rhythm, they cant run 250 plays passing the ball.

take auburn's cue: shut down the run
Posted by Kid Charlemagne
Lawrenceville, GA
Member since Dec 2010
1709 posts
Posted on 5/6/11 at 6:44 pm to
I'm still sticking with my dominating defensive line play, but other than that, I was going to say hold us to 3rd and longs...it's just too difficult to continue moving the chains if you're constantly at 3rd and 10+. Sure you'll pick up a few here and there, maybe a couple in a row, but I highly doubt you can drive the length of the field converting 3rd and long each time.
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47824 posts
Posted on 5/6/11 at 6:47 pm to
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Every team that has beaten Oregon in the Chip Kelly era has done it with their defensive line play (see BSU, Ohio St., Auburn) with the lone exception as Stanford in '09. However, even in that game Stanford overpowered us. Ohio State gave up some yards on the ground (a lot on a yard per play average) but killed us with TOP.

Oregon has been playing undersized on the dline for the last two years due to multiple non-qualifiers at DT. The days of running up the middle and chewing up a lot of clock to keep the offense off the field are most likely gone with two run stuffers in Wade "special k" Keliikipi and Ricky Heimuli.

I would say great defensive line play.



If you can win the battle in the trenches, Oregon's offense is reduced to screen passes and tosses, and disciplined defenses will stop that. They really don't have an answer for a tough defensive line, which is why Kelly needs to put a good bit of emphasis on getting big, tough offensive linemen that can withstand the high pace that the offense demands.
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47824 posts
Posted on 5/6/11 at 6:49 pm to
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to stop their offense, you must make them throw the football. as auburn proved (with superior DL play), stop their run, stop their O. yes, theyll get a couple big plays, but thomas isnt the efficient passer compared to his running. when oregon runs the football, you feel like an 8 yard gain is a win. but if you shut it down and force passing, its simply not as efficient- its not what theyre built to do. they cant do the ultra hurry up when they have incomplete passes, they cant get into a rhythm, they cant run 250 plays passing the ball.

take auburn's cue: shut down the run


If you can get pressure in the backfield on a consistent basis, you can get into Thomas's head.

And you are pretty much on target, their offense is really dependent on being able to generate a North-South running game to open things up, and if you take that away you really only give them the perimeter.

Now, they have skill players that can burn you on the perimeter, and they'll get their yards no doubt, but I trust an LSU defense to get the job done.
Posted by LSUTIGER in TEXAS
Member since Jan 2008
13611 posts
Posted on 5/6/11 at 7:20 pm to
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And you are pretty much on target, their offense is really dependent on being able to generate a North-South running game to open things up, and if you take that away you really only give them the perimeter.

Now, they have skill players that can burn you on the perimeter, and they'll get their yards no doubt, but I trust an LSU defense to get the job done.
esp right now when oregon doesnt have huge name guys on the outside who can hurt you. i think we need to man-up on the outside and put 9 guys in the box(im more worried about east-west gap control) until they prove our corners- 17, 24/7(i hope 24) cant stop their WRs. make them pass!!! study the 2nd half of last years BCSCG. we have the horses, just need the applicable scheme
Posted by rickyh
Positiger Nation
Member since Dec 2003
12474 posts
Posted on 5/6/11 at 7:31 pm to
I agree, with stopping the run and making them pass. If LSU can stop the run, they win going away.
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
12977 posts
Posted on 5/6/11 at 7:44 pm to
Josh Huff is the big name in the wide reciever corp. Tuinei is actually a senior this year and both should take a quantam leap. However, after those two it's not the greatest corp by any stretch of the imagination. Again, this is the new defensive tackle spot for us with all kinds of attrition. However, 4 highly regarded WR are coming in with Vaughn being the most likely as he was the most highly regarded WR out of the JUCO ranks (supposed 4.3 but those are usually a joke). Here's to hoping he pans out. Watch the fall camp reports because WR is the unit with the most questions.

On a side note, you will see a lot of double tight end sets. Williams and Paulson are seniors and they will seriously test your OLBs. Lyerla looks to be the real deal and he should be third on the depth chart. TE is seriously loaded and this is a school that send Dickson, Peele, Wrighster to the league this past decade. Williams is a sleeper because he was a JUCO guy with two to play two. Last year he wore a club and blocked primarily but I haven't seen a more impressive physical speciman in a long time.
This post was edited on 5/6/11 at 7:47 pm
Posted by LSUTIGER in TEXAS
Member since Jan 2008
13611 posts
Posted on 5/6/11 at 7:45 pm to
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f LSU can stop the run, they win going away.
my question is: we wont have a nick fairly type presence, but we have to have a 2009 boise st caliber group, right? will that be enough? CAN'T WAIT!

Posted by LSUTIGER in TEXAS
Member since Jan 2008
13611 posts
Posted on 5/6/11 at 7:53 pm to
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Josh Huff is the big name in the wide reciever corp.
never heard of him. i watch alot of college football, but not a lot of pac10 football. i watched the BCSCG many times, and dont recall the name
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Tuinei
him either
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4 highly regarded WR are coming in with Vaughn
as you will learn, these highly ranked guys are hit and miss. and they bring more talent- ht/wt/40 time- but they lack in other areas like football knowledge, scheme precision, and fundamentals- something ive grown to associate with your well coached oregon squad. sad thing is- better athletes dont translate as well as you hope they will
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JUCO ranks
always hit or miss, likely a miss if statistics bore out.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
80201 posts
Posted on 5/6/11 at 7:57 pm to
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The offense Oregon runs is something like a tempermental woman. The slightest variation or problem throws the whole thing off.


Seems very gimmicky. The few times I've seen them I was impressed w/ their team speed, but not their offensive scheme.
Posted by LSUTIGER in TEXAS
Member since Jan 2008
13611 posts
Posted on 5/6/11 at 8:01 pm to
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ut not their offensive scheme.
i think its their execution. they do a great job getting more with less
Posted by tsmi136
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2011
3912 posts
Posted on 5/6/11 at 8:02 pm to
The key to stopping Oregon's offense is,

tackle a little, and score more than they do.
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
12977 posts
Posted on 5/6/11 at 8:03 pm to
Huff is someone to watch for. Last year he was a true frosh and went for 517 yards and gained more time as the season progressed. He is as fast as they come. He will stretch the field. He has high football IQ, work ethic and a physical speciman.

I don't know how you missed Tuinei in the NCG game. He had 3 catches for 75 yards and a 43 yard catch.

Posted by golf teaching pro
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
604 posts
Posted on 5/6/11 at 8:40 pm to
Lb play! Remember the lb is the qb of the defense. Were a little thin and inexperienced there. Also we tend to be fumble prone early in the season. We averaged like 4 turnovers a game early last season. If we turn it over and don't bottle up seastrunk who was paid, then were going to have a tough time. This isn't a depleted tar heal squad this is the national runner up. Strap it on Leslie
Posted by windriver
West Monroe/San Diego
Member since Mar 2006
8656 posts
Posted on 5/6/11 at 8:40 pm to
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Posted by Leonides
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2009
1270 posts
Posted on 5/6/11 at 9:29 pm to
The key to stopping Oregon's offense will be time of possession by LSU's offense. As a result, the Ducks are going to see a heavy dose of Spencer Ware and company.

Contrary to Bison Duck's glowing reviews of Oregon's talent, LSU's talent is vastly superior to Oregon's. I watched Oregon's spring game and I assure you LSU has a huge edge in the trenches on both sides of the ball and that edge will be exploited by LSU. Furthermore, LSU's secondary will be the best Oregon has ever seen. If LSU stops the run, then Oregon will find itself completely stifled on offense because the Ducks' receivers will not find any breathing room against LSU's secondary.

The close score of the BCS Championship game when Oregon played Auburn was completely misleading. Auburn dominated the line of scrimmage. The only reason the score was close was because Gus Malzahn called for Cam Newton to throw the ball 30 plus times that game, which was the highest number of passes Newton threw in a game all year. When Auburn committed itself to running the ball at the end of the game, Oregon could do nothing to stop Auburn.

LSU will play smash mouth football and wear the Ducks down. This game will not be nearly as close as most believe.
This post was edited on 5/6/11 at 9:30 pm
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47824 posts
Posted on 5/6/11 at 9:44 pm to
Give their defense a little credit, they had some great schemes set to hold our offense.
Posted by windriver
West Monroe/San Diego
Member since Mar 2006
8656 posts
Posted on 5/6/11 at 9:48 pm to
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Furthermore, LSU's secondary will be the best Oregon has ever seen.


Fact

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LSU will play smash mouth football and wear the Ducks down. This game will not be nearly as close as most believe.



It might be a game for a while but LSU is simply a more talented, physical team. No way Oregon wins this game.
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