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Posted on 2/6/25 at 10:53 am to Pnels08
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I'd agree, but TJ won the SEC and a tournament game. That kind of jets him past CMM
Johnson inherited 4 future NBA players including SEC Player of the Year Marcus Thornton and also a healthy Tasmin Mitchell, the third leading scorer in LSU history behind only Shaq and Macklin. McMahon inherited 13 empty jock straps.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:01 am to drizztiger
How many 5 stars wade bought? Im no fan of CMM. But Wade teams were a lot more talented with better depth. Is CMM the answer, no. Is Wade the answer, No.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:02 am to tigersbb
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Johnson inherited 4 future NBA players including SEC Player of the Year Marcus Thornton and also a healthy Tasmin Mitchell, the third leading scorer in LSU history behind only Shaq and Macklin. McMahon inherited 13 empty jock straps.
Noone is disagreeing that TJ didn't inherit a good team.
But he won the sec, SEC COTY and a tournament game. Plus he won a NIT game as well. All in 4 years.
That blows out CMMs big accomplishment of wearing nice suits
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:11 am to Tiger2tiga
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How many 5 stars wade bought? Im no fan of CMM. But Wade teams were a lot more talented with better depth. Is CMM the answer, no. Is Wade the answer, No.
This is a joke right? Wade "bought" 5 stars in the same way that every other major program in the country bought them. With NIL, its not only a part of the recruiting game, in most cases it IS the recruiting. Is Wade the ONLY answer? No, there are a lot of good coaches in the country. But is he the best answer? Absolutely. He is 2 hours down the road, knows the program and what is necessary to succeed here, has the personality to attract donors and fans, and is a good X's and O's coach. If you want to continue to live with your head in the sand about that, then go ahead that's your choice
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:16 am to JimTiger72
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& that’s including his 13-3 year in the SEC with a stacked roster year 1.
At least he had that year. McMahon hasn't.
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He was much worse than McMahon years 2 & 3
I guess technically his year 2 was worse than McMahon's year 2. But if you look at the 3 year tenure's independently, McMahon is likely to have two seasons nearly every bit as bad as Johnson's...without an actual great season.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:19 am to Aforem7
Unfortunately, this is very damning. The excuse will be that SEC competition is significantly higher now than it was for any of those other coaches, but I'll respond to that with this: do we not want to be competitive in the SEC? Having numbers through 3 years worse than Trent Johnson is truly terrible. I feel bad that McMahon was met with a much greater challenge than coaching at LSU should be, but his tenure has been AT BEST disappointing through 3 years and at worst completely miserable. It's time to go get a killer head coach.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:20 am to Aforem7
You have no concept of context.
None of those coaches inherited a team (a) devoid of players because they all transferred, (b) with active sanctions, (c) navigating the NIL era for the first time at this school, and (d) navigating the new transfer portal rules while dealing with (a)-(c) simultaneously.
No other coach in the nation has that combination of roadblocks. He may well suck when it's all said and done, but blindly comparing him to others who were in entirely different contexts is a meaningless endeavor.
None of those coaches inherited a team (a) devoid of players because they all transferred, (b) with active sanctions, (c) navigating the NIL era for the first time at this school, and (d) navigating the new transfer portal rules while dealing with (a)-(c) simultaneously.
No other coach in the nation has that combination of roadblocks. He may well suck when it's all said and done, but blindly comparing him to others who were in entirely different contexts is a meaningless endeavor.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:21 am to robertgamb
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The NIL didn't kill the lsu mb program Mcloser is the one who as destroyed this program period
What about the guy who hired him?
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:22 am to emanresu
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None of those coaches inherited a team (a) devoid of players because they all transferred, (b) with active sanctions, (c) navigating the NIL era for the first time at this school, and (d) navigating the new transfer portal rules while dealing with (a)-(c) simultaneously.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:30 am to btnetigers
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Not in this day and age. NIL has killed LSU men's basketball, IMO.
How do a lot of these other schools manage to stay competitive?
No one expects LSU to consistently compete with the blue bloods in basketball. But LSU is in the top 20 in terms of NIL revenue so I find it hard to believe this is yet another failing to put at the feet of the new world order.
There's simply no excuse for the men's basketball team to be this bad, this far into McMahon's tenure. No one's asking for an Elite 8 every year. Just play well enough to get into the fricking tournament every 2-3 years.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:31 am to emanresu
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You have no concept of context.
None of those coaches inherited a team (a) devoid of players because they all transferred, (b) with active sanctions, (c) navigating the NIL era for the first time at this school, and (d) navigating the new transfer portal rules while dealing with (a)-(c) simultaneously.
No other coach in the nation has that combination of roadblocks. He may well suck when it's all said and done, but blindly comparing him to others who were in entirely different contexts is a meaningless endeavor.
LSU docked itself 1 scholarship. Wouldn't call that much of a sanction, especially considering Mcmahon was able to work around it with a walk on player. All new coaches in modern basketball are inheriting teams with virtually no players due to the transfer portal. Why does mcmahon get a pass for being terrible when I can find examples of dozens of coaches that have been hired since Mcmahon and have had more success with less resources in the NIL/transfer portal era
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:56 am to Aforem7
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:58 am to Aforem7
First off McMahon was hired on March 22, the portal didn’t even open until a week or two after the NCAA title game which was held on April 4th. Every player from the 21-22 roster who wasn’t entering the draft was still at LSU and hadn’t announced they were entering the portal. The first player to announce they were entering the portal was Adam Miller on April 7th, 16 days after McMahon was hired and Miller ended up returning. This narrative that McMahon arrived to an empty team is 100% false. Secondly we did have a 2 year 1 scholarship penalty but during that time we redshirted players so this idea that the sanction mattered at all is also 100% false.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 12:04 pm to emanresu
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None of those coaches inherited a team (a) devoid of players because they all transferred, (b) with active sanctions, (c) navigating the NIL era for the first time at this school, and (d) navigating the new transfer portal rules while dealing with (a)-(c) simultaneously.
No other coach in the nation has that combination of roadblocks.
Mcmahon only had C&D, and literally every other coach had the same combination of roadblocks.
John Brady came into a much worse situation with no quality players and actual sanctions WITHOUT the benefit of a transfer portal and managed a better first 3 seasons.
Even Wade had a worse roster to start with. Just because McMahon couldn't convince any useful players to stay does not mean the cupboard was bare.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 12:10 pm to drizztiger
And wade took a terrible team and got to the NIT. Beat ULL while talking shite. Left that game and told my wife at the time…. “We are getting season tickets next year.”
I’m not demanding a National championship. I want someone who has us competitive every year, make a deep run every couple of years (sweet 16) and make me believe a final four is possible. Not that crazy of expectations when you think what Dale did here.
I’m not demanding a National championship. I want someone who has us competitive every year, make a deep run every couple of years (sweet 16) and make me believe a final four is possible. Not that crazy of expectations when you think what Dale did here.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 12:17 pm to emanresu
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You have no concept of context.
None of those coaches inherited a team (a) devoid of players because they all transferred, (b) with active sanctions, (c) navigating the NIL era for the first time at this school, and (d) navigating the new transfer portal rules while dealing with (a)-(c) simultaneously.
Brady inherited a program on probation. Actual probation with meaningful sanctions. Not 1 scholarship loss for 2 years that McMahon has actually gotten around by simply using NIL to pay for his 13th "walk on" player. Quite literally, the sanctions has ZERO effect on LSU. And while yes, none of the previous coaches had the LSU job in an era where their players could freely transfer out (Wade did to some extent), they also didn't have the opportunity to bring in immediately eligible transfers either. That is a MASSIVE advantage to coaches who have to rebuild a program compared to prior eras where the only recourse the HC had to flip a bad roster immediately was HS and JUCO signees.
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No other coach in the nation has that combination of roadblocks.
There are gross exaggerations. Then there is this statement
Perhaps you don't follow CBB outside of LSU, but nowadays any time a coaching change is made the new HC inherits a roster devoid of player. Just this year alone there are 3 new coaches in the SEC. Care to guess how many returning players they have on their teams? I'll answer. Arkansas (1); Vanderbilt (2), Kentucky (0). If you are keeping score, that's all LESS than the 3 returning players McMahon had to start the 22-23 season. All of those schools are going to have far better first seasons than McMahon did.
The sanctions have had no effect on McMahon. None. Perhaps the only thing he has done well as LSU is sign decent HS classes. 2 of this three signing classes have been ranked in the top 20.
The amount of twisting logic and distorting reality to support a guy who, in three years, will be under .500 overall (despite the benefit of nearly 40 non-conf games, most of which against very weak mid-major competition) and, will have won less than 30% of games against teams in his conference, is truly mind-blowing.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 12:23 pm to Alt26
“Perhaps you don't follow CBB outside of LSU”
It’s a guaranteed certainty when you see those kinds of posts
It’s a guaranteed certainty when you see those kinds of posts
Posted on 2/6/25 at 12:23 pm to Aforem7
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Mcmahon is the worst head coach that LSU has had in 50 years and the stats prove it
He’s had enough time to get it right. Time to GTFO
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