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Lester Earl
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Judging & evaluating QBs is one of the hardest things in sports. . .

Albeit, the college game is a little more forgiving given the ability to scheme around one player.

Now I am no QB guru, but I feel similarly towards Daniels then I did in 2018 when Tiger fans were saying Joe Burrow reminded them of Danny Etling.

I think with another offseason, he could show a 30-40% improvement over what we saw this year. Which was really really good. It won’t be the meteoric jump of Burrow, but even with say, a 25% jump, lsu is in the thick of it and Daniels is being talked about as a SEC POTY.

Don’t under estimate the power of another offseason. You absolutely want Daniels to return to build off of. I’m excited about Howard the same way people thought Brennan was next. And you honestly never really know that.

Here’s some required course reading. Note the positives regarding Burrow sound a lot like Daniels. Please also note the guys pushing Burrow as Etling’s equal. If you are saying JD should leave, this is you.


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re: Judging & evaluating QBs is one of the hardest things in sports. . .
the link's broken.


CalTiger53
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re: Judging & evaluating QBs is one of the hardest things in sports. . .
QB is very important but not every loss or win is because of QBs. Alabama has a Heisman caliber QB and they lost to LSU.


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Jrv2damac
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re: Judging & evaluating QBs is one of the hardest things in sports. . .
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the link's broken.


That’s LE’s point

It’s not the link that is broken. The fans are broken.

The link is the fans.

The fans need to fix themselves


Housplants
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re: Judging & evaluating QBs is one of the hardest things in sports. . .
Burrow certainly was not a finished product his 1st year as a tiger, but he could always go through progressions and could anticipate when a receiver would come open. He was also running a very antiquated offensive scheme.

Daniels locks on to one receiver at the snap, and only throws to him if he is wide open. He very seldom goes through progressions and he does not anticipate when the receiver will come open. He very seldom makes a throw on time.

I believe he is near his ceiling, while Burrow just needed a competent offensive coach (Brady) to design plays with complementary routes. Our current offensive coordinator is much better than what Burrow has his 1st season, so I do not share your optimism regarding potential improvement.

All that being said, Daniel's running ability enabled LSU to run an effective offense afer the Tennessee game until teams learned to scheme better against his running.



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re: Judging & evaluating QBs is one of the hardest things in sports. . .
If you're telling me he needs Lasik, I'll buy in.

He not going to all of a sudden be able to read the field. He isn't even trying to stretch the field. But sure. He's good enough to keep you losing 2-3 games a year.

Right now, they know how to beat him.


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re: Judging & evaluating QBs is one of the hardest things in sports. . .
For people who don’t know anything about football it is but football isn’t complicated at all.
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Alt26
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re: Judging & evaluating QBs is one of the hardest things in sports. . .
Only if LSU makes a change at OC…which isn’t going to happen.

Had Brady not been brought in Burrow probably has a marginally better 2019 compared to 2018. It was the complete change in philosophy, approach and play design that made all the difference.


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re: Judging & evaluating QBs is one of the hardest things in sports. . .
Different OC can’t make jd5 read a d. JFC man. Wake up.


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re: Judging & evaluating QBs is one of the hardest things in sports. . .
PLAYING QB is harder


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re: Judging & evaluating QBs is one of the hardest things in sports. . .
I really want to believe JD could come back and have a heisman type season, but he and burrow had very different issues.

Burrow had timing and accuracy issues...but he wasn't afraid to put a ball out there.

JD either doesn't see the field or doesn't trust his own progressions and what he sees.

This is also Daniels 4th full season of College football.that was burrows 1st. Your biggest improvement comes 1st to 2nd season...not 4th to 5th

Eta - in my lifetime, I've never seen a QB so timid about throwing the ball. That's just not a personality trait that makes kids to want to play QB. It's odd to say the least
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re: Judging & evaluating QBs is one of the hardest things in sports. . .
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re: Judging & evaluating QBs is one of the hardest things in sports. . .
I think, like with Burrow, we need a better offensive system to unlock him.

Also, historically Kelly has a terrible reputation with picking/developing QBs, so we have to hope he improves on that here.


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re: Judging & evaluating QBs is one of the hardest things in sports. . .
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Eta - in my lifetime, I've never seen a QB so timid about throwing the ball. That's just not a personality trait that makes kids to want to play QB. It's odd to say the least


Or maybe it is partially systemic, in that a new system & new WRs does not have him firing 100% yet.

I do know that his legs present a different dynamic the same way it did for burrow. When a play breaks down it can be hell for the defense when he gets loose.

In the same vain, it a great base for the run game. Josh Williams was just a low level RB until you see what Jayden Daniels can do to open up the run game. Now people are asking “what round will he be drafted”?


All that to say; If he returns, there are no signs pointing to Walker Howard starting yet. They are going to want to build on what Daniels did this year, and they should. You don’t always have this type of opportunity with a veteran QB returning.


SlowFlowPro
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Or maybe it is partially systemic, in that a new system & new WRs does not have him firing 100% yet.

Also how to "read" in the system likely is a 180 from what he was running at ASU. Most systems have very basic reads and options once you diagnose the defense. Presnap formations and motion do the diagnosing for the QB.

Denbrock ain't about that life.

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All that to say; If he returns, there are no signs pointing to Walker Howard starting yet. They are going to want to build on what Daniels did this year, and they should. You don’t always have this type of opportunity with a veteran QB returning.

I agree and it's going to send this board into chaos in 6 months. Denbrock/Kelly went out and hand-picked JD


Lester Earl
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re: Judging & evaluating QBs is one of the hardest things in sports. . .
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lso, historically Kelly has a terrible reputation with picking/developing QBs, so we have to hope he improves on that here.


He seems looser, less stressed, more secure to me.

I think he realizes what some of the issues were downfield; we heard him address them off and on all year. I assume it will be a point of emphasis.


Pre-transfer portal movement, lsu looks in really good shape at QB of Daniels returns, compared to other SEC schools.


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re: Judging & evaluating QBs is one of the hardest things in sports. . .
The JD and Burrow comparisons need to stop. One is a throw first run second QB, the other is a run first and throw second QB. They’re completely diff QBs.


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we heard him address them off and on all year.

Kelly seems like the type who is going to say "this loss is on me. We are going to fix it" in public but in private is expecting players to execute his brilliant scheme better instead of looking at the scheme.

Our system slid post-Bama and it led to issues.

Denbrock also doesn't seem to have a system that tries to create space for his WRs to flourish. He wants the RB and TE to flourish.


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re: Judging & evaluating QBs is one of the hardest things in sports. . .
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You don’t always have this type of opportunity with a veteran QB returning.


I think that this is true to an extent. Freshmen QBs usually have a learning curve on game speed, and dropping one carries its own risks.

Whether you want JD5 to return or not rests a lot on the extent to which you believe player development is possible. It’s not improbable to think that a competent coaching staff could improve JD5 trusting a downfield ball by 30-40% as LE suggests. The question then becomes: is that product more desirable than a completely green Howard. Choosing the latter comes with its own risk and not just an immediate set. That sink or swim approach can have its own negative cascading effects.

JD5 has had one year with this offense and coaching staff. One would think improvement is possible given the circumstances. Or so you hope.


SlowFlowPro
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One is a throw first run second QB, the other is a run first and throw second QB. They’re completely diff QBs.

This has nothing to do with the conversation.

It's about their ability to take a jump within their style.

You can win a lot of games in college (and the NFL these days) with a run-first, throw 2nd QB. You just have to create a scheme that works


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