re: Judging & evaluating QBs is one of the hardest things in sports. . .

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JD5 has had one year with this offense and coaching staff. One would think improvement is possible given the circumstances. Or so you hope.

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Well, as I posted in the other thread, if JD isn't starting I don't know if he can be on the team next year.

That variable has to be weighed in the decision-making.

The biggest difference is that Burrow had never started a game till LSU.


JD has a well documented resume. He’s an excellent rusher and serviceable passer against weaker teams. He’s inferior against talented SEC teams. Scheme could help, but we ain’t moving on from Denbrock.

At this point, I just hope CBK can do something Les could not, and adapt.

JD was the best option at LSU for this season. I do not think he’s earned the auto-start status for next year though. You HAVE to pass the ball effectively to be unbeatable.

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Only when Brady arrived was all that talent unlocked.

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It’s one of the few things I liked about O. He could adapt and recognized where Ensminger was lacking.

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Different OC can’t make jd5 read a d. JFC man. Wake up.

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A good OC puts a QB in position to succeed based upon the QB's strengths. A bad OC continues to try to jam a square peg in a round hole.

Burrow was a sub 60% (completion %) passer in 2018 with only 16 TDs. Essentially he was Danny Etling in Ensminger's antiquated offensive approach. A year later, with a new OC (and you're incredibly naïve or willfully disingenuous if you don't think that was Brady's offense) he turns in one of the best season's ever. Now, did Joe suddenly become that good over the course of one offseason? Or did his new OC put he and the offense in great positions to have success?

Dropping Daniel's back and having him try to hit long developing routes is not his strength. That has been evident all season. So you try to find an offense that suits him. Hendon Hooker is a marginal player at Virginia Tech for 3 season. He then transfers to Tennessee, plays in an offense that extenuates his strengths and suddenly becomes one of the top QBs in the country.

I'm not saying Daniels is Burrow...or even Hooker. But his OC is doing him absolutely no favors. We have 12 games of data now. The current offensive approach does not fit Daniels.

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I think you kind of have to treat Daniels the same way tbh

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Why?

Genuinely curious.

One had thousands of reps with their teams best talent, the other had hundreds of reps with 2’s and 3’s.

One came in to an archaic offense that was resistant to change and the other came into an offense catered to their skill set.

JD5 had every advantage. Biggest question mark was that Sloan re-worked JD’s footwork. At the time I didn’t mind bc I figured he’d be backup, but now I question the decision.

I agree 100% with Sport Tiger. When he does throw the ball his accuracy is decent albeit usually late. He will only throw to completely open receivers. Even when the game circumstances clearly dictate that our only chance to win is to throw the ball downfield he is hesitant to do so. As a 4th year player this is not good. I do not know how his confidence or ability can be improved at this point. His running has definitely helped us win a couple games but his hesitation to throw the ball has likewise cost us a couple games. If you are looking at the big picture, ie undefeated season national championship, this will not get it. I understand that these are college kids and no one is perfect despite us wanting them to be, JD had a glaring weakness for all but the most biased to see

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But his OC is doing him absolutely no favors. We have 12 games of data now. The current offensive approach does not fit Daniels.

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I agree that you can’t divorce the offensive scheme from the outcomes. That said, JD5 has missed a lot of reads on (sometimes very) open receivers. The problem is probably threefold: (1) you simply cannot deploy late breaking routes with this kid, (2) you have to help him understand making reads, and (3) you need to develop his trust in his WRs such that he slings the damn ball.

Scheme is always king, but there’s a lot of player development that also has to happen for that to really be all that effective.

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He not going to all of a sudden be able to read the field. He isn't even trying to stretch the field. But sure. He's good enough to keep you losing 2-3 games a year.

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You do realize that compared to where we were before BK took over, only losing 2-3 games a year is damn good. Most people who know football said it would be at least 2024 at best before we were competing for any kind of championship again. Orgeron fricked us over bad.

Daniels is not a superior QB by any means. He’s also not the worst QB we’ve ever had by a long shot. In fact, you’d be hard pressed to find more than maybe 3 QBs better than him that LSU has had in the last 20 years. Off the top of my head, there was Burrow (obviously) and Mettenberger (arguably).

If JD is going to be the starter next year, the entire offseason needs to be about him working on read progression, Trusting receivers, and to stop thinking that running is his best option.

I’m not 100% read up on his history, but I’d be willing to bet that throughout his career until now, he was probably the best athlete on his team. He WAS the offense until now. That’s hard to overcome for a lot of players once they’ve had that responsibility (and attention as well though I don’t think JD is intentionally trying to be selfish with the ball, I think he’s just used to it because of his history).

Bottom line, Nuss is probably not our answer unless he gets a lot better than he’s been. Our other options are Howard (who is supposed to be really good but we’ve had plenty of QBs who were “supposed to be good” that really weren’t) or find another in the portal (which may not be a terrible idea).

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Because he’s been in a toxic situation the last few years where he hasn’t been able to grow. I don’t think it’s by chance that he has improved overnight with some stability. That’s why I’d bet on another jump with an offseason together with everyone

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Do you think CBK will send all of the receivers out to Cali to play catch on the beach with him again?

that is why he lets him throw short shite because he can

he can call intermediate to deep all day it does not matter he cannot execute it.

so only call short shite? see where that gets us. roll him out more? ok. it still will not fix the intermediate to deep passes. have you seen him throw on run? at feet and high and behind guys? he is not consistent at that either.