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re: Jordy colutta made a damning good point on his show this morning
Posted on 10/28/24 at 1:16 pm to Salviati
Posted on 10/28/24 at 1:16 pm to Salviati
quote:Can't say I disagree with anything you're saying. I think the biggest issue, however, might have been not playing the hand you're dealt (instead of the hand you've already played). They were comfortable with how they played against Weigman, and probably felt like they had the gameplan down for the final two quarters.
Reed wasn't running some exotic scheme. Reed wasn't running a triple option or some other offense LSU has not seen all season.
Reed was running zone readLSU players just failed to execute. LSU has faced zone read nearly every game this season. I'm sure we practice against the zone read every week because it is an extremely common play. We'd run it on offense too if Nussmeier would keep on occasion.
LSU players just failed to execute. Our safeties and LBs were not quick enough, and when they did get hands on Reed, they didn't tackle.
Reed came in and not only threw all that into the wind, he also made some pretty quick decisions right at the snap and our inside defenders either over-pursued playing him like they did Weigman, or were caught completely out of position for someone with Reed's speed and elusiveness.
The biggest failure, though, was not accounting for the possibility of facing him in the game and at least having some concept of a plan on how to deal with that scenario if it came about.
Our offense didn't do us any favors, either. Special teams completely shite the bed and our offense - which 'till now felt like the defense could bail them out - suddenly lost their freaking minds (along with their discipline) and decided to play hero-ball - and it completely backfired.
It was, as that video segment during the game showed, what Bear Bryant would call "a good old-fashioned Southern butt-whipping".
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Posted on 10/28/24 at 1:17 pm to Cd104
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Doubt he does much through the air. He made one solid throw but the kid is not a very good or accurate passer. Thats the reason Connor was starting. If we prepared for him we would’ve been ready but we didn’t that’s unacceptable
He makes throws when defense has to focus on stopping him and the RBs first. Before LSU game He actually had more TD passes than Weigman with zero interceptions (6 & 0 vs 3 & 4) with 1 less start. He gets to hit some passes with no help over the top.
If a defense can stop run game with him as QB using standard or base defensive front Reed would struggle throwing, and if A&M runs same offense as with Weigman, Reed would struggle throwing. Neither were the case Saturday.
Weigman should be better than he is, but between missing games with multiple injuries (and maybe a lack of drive or motivation) he is inconsistent and struggles with decisions and confidence against better teams.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 1:17 pm to thunderbird1100
I’ve seen the comparison to the 2019 game against John Rhys Plumlee, which I think is very on point. Imagine the 2018 LSU offense in that game, and I expect that you would have had a similar result.
Pretty much all of the pieces were there on offense personnel-wise in 2018, but it took another year of experience and a new approach to offensive scheme/playcalling to pick up the slack for a defensive lapse.
Pretty much all of the pieces were there on offense personnel-wise in 2018, but it took another year of experience and a new approach to offensive scheme/playcalling to pick up the slack for a defensive lapse.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 1:17 pm to Septiger
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I think you are asking for too much , preparing for two qbs . I mean what do you expend for 10 million a year?
FWIW, I dont really blame Kelly and the staff for not preparing for Reed. Reed has only played this year really when Weigman was hurt. Weigman came back 2 games prior to our game against them and it's been all Weigman. It's not normal to prepare for a backup when the backup has only played really in place of someone injured and the non-injured guy had been back for multiple weeks in a row leading up to our game.
Even if they tried to prepare for the QB run with Reed, they would have spent pretty minimal practice on that in reality. Just not something anyone really could have saw coming. Weigman was playing so bad they just had to make a change and thats what ignited them ultimately.
Even when we tried to make the adjustments Reed hits a perfect 50+ yar pass downfield and things just werent working for us at all in any phase of the game at that point. Good example of how sometimes football is all about momentum. Reed might never have another gam like that ever again in his career. Kind of like John Rhys Plumlee game against us in 2019.
This post was edited on 10/28/24 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 10/28/24 at 1:19 pm to Salmon
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I'm aware. They didn't prepare for Reed specifically.
But they have been prepared for similar offenses prior to this week. Its not like they haven't been prepared for it.
It's a very different thing to prepare for something in weeks prior then suddenly expect it to be fine weeks or even months later as well. Not really how game week prep works.
We definitely got blindsided and couldnt make the right adjustments in time, and even if we made some adjustments they werent working at all. The momentum was all A&M and this was a clear indication of that it just didnt seem to matter.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 1:22 pm to Cd104
This was a huge mistake on coaches, but every single high school team runs zone read and everybody has defended against it. So it's not as if they were facing something brand new and innovative. This is where your leaders need to take over to compensate for your coach's shortcomings
Posted on 10/28/24 at 1:24 pm to thunderbird1100
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Not really how game week prep works.
I realize how game prep works
My point is that Baker and the players didn't suddenly forget how to scheme read option.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 1:26 pm to Salmon
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I realize how game prep works
My point is that Baker and the players didn't suddenly forget how to scheme read option.
I dont think you understand what it takes sometimes to totally overhaul your defensive approach in game when something you didnt prepare for all week is now suddenly happening.
Its not always going to be something that is easy to just flip a switch and "remember back to several weeks ago guys!???"
Posted on 10/28/24 at 1:27 pm to Salviati
Exactly our safeties and STar and MLB played bad. WEeks was typically on the RB side and had some mistakes. But whoever was assigned Reed played horrible for the most part. I think Swinson 1 time stopped him. But for the most part our ends were crashing and leaving the QB to the Lbers or more often the STAR. One play had Burns having to cover 2 gaps. whoever the DT on the side either crashed or got blown up. The tackle was able to get to 2nd level on Burns. He picked a hole, the QB went through the other.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 1:27 pm to Cd104
I doubt that was the case. Blame the defense all you want, but the offense can’t run the ball. They also had multiple opportunities in the first half, to be up 20 points but couldn’t capitalize. They also missed 3 field goals. They also had 3 turnovers on their own side of the field. The defense has made improvements this year, the offense……not so much.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 1:32 pm to Cd104
Honestly, it is not the first time something like that has happened when a backup QB is inserted into the game. It is completely different styles but it really did remind me of '05 Tennessee when Clausen was inserted into the game and we couldn't stop them.
I would expect Baker and Kelly to always have a second game plan package ready for this situation in the future and they bring in a small scheme to adapt to a QB change. But again there is not time in the week to practice and prepare for 2 QBs.
I would expect Baker and Kelly to always have a second game plan package ready for this situation in the future and they bring in a small scheme to adapt to a QB change. But again there is not time in the week to practice and prepare for 2 QBs.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 1:32 pm to DallasTiger11
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It’s remarkable how many boneheaded coaching miscues continue to come from BK and his staff.
All for the low price of $10 million a year.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 1:33 pm to thunderbird1100
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I dont think you understand what it takes sometimes to totally overhaul your defensive approach in game when something you didnt prepare for all week is now suddenly happening.
Obviously its not easy abandoning a game plan in the middle of the 3rd quarter and the offense isn't even giving you time on the sidelines to regroup.
Posters are acting like Baker and the defense didn't know what to do. That is clearly false.
Executing that change is difficult. And I doubt them spending 10 minutes a practice on Reed would have changed anything.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 1:33 pm to Salmon
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which is obviously false since we have seen that style of play multiple times this year
Hey, don't take my word for it. Let's hear from LSU LB, Greg Penn
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“We just thought Conner Weigman was going to get the majority of the snaps,” LSU linebacker Greg Penn said. “He's been playing pretty well. That game against Missouri, he played really good. We just thought he was going to be the guy.”
“We didn't really prepare for it, honestly,” Penn said. “We didn't think that he was going to come in the game, so him coming in the game caught us off guard. We didn't really know what runs they were going to run. Them doing that opened the game up for them in terms of what they were doing on offense.”
LSU was bad at stopping it vs. South Carolina and it is clear that even if they thought they might see that again they made no meaningful adjustments to stop it.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 1:34 pm to misey94
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He hadn’t played in a month and hadn’t played a snap outside of limited garbage time with Weigman healthy.
When you have mandated practice time limits from the NCAA, you don’t spend time on backup QBs who don’t regularly rotate in games. It makes for a great point for fans and talk-shows to get mad about, but no one is spending practice time on a freshman backup who only played before due to injury.
It’s all hindsight, armchair QB shite. And that’s all guys like Colutta are there for.
As for reading body language- first off, that’s stupid. Second, how could you ignore the short fields and massive change in momentum in how they reacted? They were dominating the game and suddenly were taken completely out of what was working.
You say all this to say -- the defense did adjust when they finally had a full field to feel this guy out.
Why are people forgetting we gave them the ball in our red zone 3x in a row. It was an absolute shite show from Garrett Nussmeier as it's been.
People want to not call a spade a spade because once every 5 or 6 drives he puts together 4 good passes in a row and scores.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 1:41 pm to Cd104
This is what a good duel threat QB can do for you. It’s why they are so damnned hard to defend against.
You basically better hope you have great safeties and a damn good LB than can spy the QB. Between that and keeping his arse off the field by controlling the time of possession is about the only way to beat a good duel threat QB in college.
You basically better hope you have great safeties and a damn good LB than can spy the QB. Between that and keeping his arse off the field by controlling the time of possession is about the only way to beat a good duel threat QB in college.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 1:42 pm to Cd104
And one more thing Bk needs to find a new punter ASAP. And fg holder..same guy so there's that
Posted on 10/28/24 at 1:45 pm to Ebridg3
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ou say all this to say -- the defense did adjust when they finally had a full field to feel this guy out.
Was that the drive where A&M went 60 yards on 7 plays for a TD to take the lead?
Or maybe it was the one where they went 75 yards on 4 plays after LSU scored a TD to cut the lead to 5
Again, turning the ball over in their own territory certainly didn't help. But even on the two drives A&M started in their own territory they moved down field with ease. The ONLY time LSU "felt this guy out" was when A&M got inside the LSU 13 yard line. That was the only time the defense was able to even get to 3rd down.
The turnovers expedited and enlarged the scoring, but A&M could have played two more quarters and LSU wouldn't have been able to stop them.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 1:51 pm to thunderbird1100
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FWIW, I dont really blame Kelly and the staff for not preparing for Reed. Reed has only played this year really when Weigman was hurt.
Weigman is hurt as much or more than he is healthy.
I agree the preparation focus should have been on Weigman, but Reed playing shouldn’t have been considered an impossibility. Weigman has consistently been inconsistent against quality teams, doesn’t seem to overcome bad starts, and is prone to injuries. I am sure they have enough graduate assistants and/or advisers on staff to go thru Reed’s 3 starts and last season’s bowl game to look for tendencies to help as a back up plan implementing prior zone read defenses for Reed. May not have helped as A&M was running the ball well even before Reed came in.
This post was edited on 10/28/24 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 10/28/24 at 1:54 pm to Cd104
The defense didn’t execute for shite. Ends kept crashing down nobody could fricking wrap up moss plus the short fields from Nuss throwing to the aggies. It was all a recipe for disaster. I’d look defeated too seeing all of that
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