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Posted on 9/24/19 at 11:50 am to Lester Earl
Just another Tuesday on TD for good ol Les!! 
Posted on 9/24/19 at 11:58 am to PensaTigers
quote:Dude. The entire offense was changed from last year. The entire thing. Nothing is the the same. Our entire playbook was changed. You can't even compare this offense to last year.
I didn't say it wasnt an amazing offense, I was referring to last year in that quote. Keep in mind I also said in comparison, not overall superb. But they're doing way better this year.
It's really more simple than a lot of you want to make it. This is a new offense. It's a modern spread that Joe Brady implemented for us. It's been one of the best and most succesfull offenses in the country. It's simple facts. So go ahead and believe we would be getting these results with that DIFFERENT offense we ran last year. I don't even know why you would care to do that TBH.
This post was edited on 9/24/19 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 9/24/19 at 12:27 pm to abellsujr
yeah, anyone who thinks this offense completely different shoudl jsut look at Red Zone plays
We are throwing it
We are spreading it out
Last year E said we weren't effective in the red zone because we didn't have enough TEs.
We are throwing it
We are spreading it out
Last year E said we weren't effective in the red zone because we didn't have enough TEs.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 12:38 pm to Todd O'Connor
I mean, it's simple facts that it's different. It's common knowledge at this point that the offensive system is new. The playbook, the scheme, the philosophy, the play calling. It's new. And it was implemented by Joe Brady. Those are the facts. So people can believe what they want. It doesn't really matter. The facts are the facts.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 1:39 pm to PensaTigers
I'm not reading all the replies to this OP, but several things can be true at once:
1) Last year, Ensminger had to have an offensive system before we knew who the starting QB would be. It was in no way a given that Burrow was going to come in here and beat out the other three guys. If McMillan or Narcisse won the job, this offense that we are running right now wouldn't work very well.
Ensminger was also hurt by losing his best offensive lineman to an arrest and the unexpected struggles of Deculus and Charles. He had inexperienced WRs. We only had one healthy TE for most of the season.
The offense that we are running now would not have worked last year.
2) Even if we were still running last year's offense, it would be a lot better this year, because we have a better OL, veteran WRs, and a starting QB who knows his teammates' names (much less the playbook).
3) Nevertheless, that would only have given us a good offense, not a great one. Joe Brady's system has turned the dial up to 11, and transformed our offense into an unstoppable and historically unmatched level. He's taken us to what might be one of the greatest offenses in the history of college football, and he deserves all the credit in the world for that. It's horribly wrong to deny Brady the credit for that greatness.
End of rant.
1) Last year, Ensminger had to have an offensive system before we knew who the starting QB would be. It was in no way a given that Burrow was going to come in here and beat out the other three guys. If McMillan or Narcisse won the job, this offense that we are running right now wouldn't work very well.
Ensminger was also hurt by losing his best offensive lineman to an arrest and the unexpected struggles of Deculus and Charles. He had inexperienced WRs. We only had one healthy TE for most of the season.
The offense that we are running now would not have worked last year.
2) Even if we were still running last year's offense, it would be a lot better this year, because we have a better OL, veteran WRs, and a starting QB who knows his teammates' names (much less the playbook).
3) Nevertheless, that would only have given us a good offense, not a great one. Joe Brady's system has turned the dial up to 11, and transformed our offense into an unstoppable and historically unmatched level. He's taken us to what might be one of the greatest offenses in the history of college football, and he deserves all the credit in the world for that. It's horribly wrong to deny Brady the credit for that greatness.
End of rant.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 10:38 am to GOP_Tiger
quote:That's not true, McMillan is an inaccurate QB throwing wise, but has proven at Tulane he is capable of making plays. Narcisse has a lively arm with a deft touch as he displayed while at LSU, and this type of offense that Brady has employed would suit him much more.
If McMillan or Narcisse won the job, this offense that we are running right now wouldn't work very well.
This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 10:49 am
Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:34 am to PensaTigers
It's most definitely a combination of the following:
Joe Burrow
Spread Scheme
Oline Experience/Maturity
Joe Brady is getting all this credit, but it's the Spread Scheme, not Joe Brady himself. Many offensive-minded coaches could have been our OC and accomplished the same thing. It's not like Brady created this offense, he just learned it from Sean Payton and Morehead. He just has the autonomy "so far" to run the offense, something previous OC's have not had under Orgeron.
Also, Joe Burrow being so good has created the early success needed to give O the confidence to keep his hands out of the offense. Now, had we had a similar start to Michigan, O would have put his 2 cents in and we would be right back where we were.
It's Joe Burrow that truly changed LSU's offense, not Joe Brady.
Joe Burrow
Spread Scheme
Oline Experience/Maturity
Joe Brady is getting all this credit, but it's the Spread Scheme, not Joe Brady himself. Many offensive-minded coaches could have been our OC and accomplished the same thing. It's not like Brady created this offense, he just learned it from Sean Payton and Morehead. He just has the autonomy "so far" to run the offense, something previous OC's have not had under Orgeron.
Also, Joe Burrow being so good has created the early success needed to give O the confidence to keep his hands out of the offense. Now, had we had a similar start to Michigan, O would have put his 2 cents in and we would be right back where we were.
It's Joe Burrow that truly changed LSU's offense, not Joe Brady.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:50 am to PensaTigers
quote:
The biggest fix is the offensive line. They were an abomination vs good fronts last year and average, usually, vs regular teams.
Now they're pass protection is night and day, holes are opening up in runs much more often, and there's not been a bad blown assignment by the blindside.
This credit goes to our line coach, who is showing what he can do given time and an uninjured line.
You're serious with this aren't you.
quote:
The biggest fix is the offensive line. They were an abomination vs good fronts last year and average, usually, vs regular teams.
We haven't played any good fronts yet this year. OL is still a question mark for this team.
quote:
Now they're pass protection is night and day, holes are opening up in runs much more often, and there's not been a bad blown assignment by the blindside.
Umm.. This is down from last year...
Posted on 9/26/19 at 8:47 pm to TchPowDog
quote:I believe he is.
You're serious with this aren't you.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 8:47 pm to tubucoco
not bad for the next Billy Gonzales
Posted on 9/26/19 at 9:56 pm to PensaTigers
Posted on 9/27/19 at 4:39 am to Fat Bastard
Pensa is right the rest of you "Brady Bunchers" are wrong. Every issue Pensa mentioned E had to deal with last year is true. You guys always seem to have a boogeyman and a Mesiah. To give all credit for this years offense to a 29 year old who has never spent one day as an OC at any university is simplistic.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 7:01 am to PensaTigers
quote:
The biggest fix is the offensive line.
No, the passing game is completely different. The quick passes is the difference. The slants allow for reads at the line and the QB to get the ball out of his hands quickly.
It wouldn't work without a smart QB and quick receivers and LSU has both. It's Brady with Ensminger's ability to welcome change and learn new concepts mixed with experience.
LSU's had great or better lines before with less than great results as far as scoring.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 7:44 am to OLDBEACHCOMBER
quote:
You are simply wrong, PERIOD!
Posted on 9/27/19 at 7:58 am to Kikicaca
Joe Brady is the difference!
It is just a fact.
Remember when Stovall brought in Mac Brown in 1982? He made a GIANT difference! He changed our offense and was not made OC, it’s a lot like this situation with Ensminger. Mac Brown bolted AFTER ONE YEAR & Stovall was soon fired!!
If Orgeron repeats Stovall’s dumb management, he will get Brodheaded too. Squat and watch.
Aranda keeps integrity on Defense and Brady on Offense, don’t anyone forget it!!
Aranda & Brady are the D and O: And all this criticisms of our defense may be echos of Canadaesque Paranoia!!
It is just a fact.
Remember when Stovall brought in Mac Brown in 1982? He made a GIANT difference! He changed our offense and was not made OC, it’s a lot like this situation with Ensminger. Mac Brown bolted AFTER ONE YEAR & Stovall was soon fired!!
If Orgeron repeats Stovall’s dumb management, he will get Brodheaded too. Squat and watch.
Aranda keeps integrity on Defense and Brady on Offense, don’t anyone forget it!!
Aranda & Brady are the D and O: And all this criticisms of our defense may be echos of Canadaesque Paranoia!!
This post was edited on 9/27/19 at 8:04 am
Posted on 9/27/19 at 8:01 am to PensaTigers
quote:
Joe Brady is doing amazing but he's not the main reason we're great now on offense
You're basically right, but hero worshipers need a hero, and they've settled on Brady.
I think the biggest factor is committing to this offense. Ensminger installed, and used, a lot of this last year, but would not commit to it. When it was nut-cutting time he would go max protect. He probably had to do that because of the other gigantic factor...
The line was young and did not pass protect very well. They are experienced now, and they have come into their own.
Lastly Burrow did not have time in preseason to gel with the team. This prevented him from being able to run through progressions fast and get rid of the ball, so pressure was put on an inadequate line to protect for too long.
So, inexperienced line and QB new to the team caused inability to commit to the offense. Add in the improved schemes that Brady took from the Saints, and that's it.
Plus, you're right, the receivers dropped a ton last year, and they are near perfect this year.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 9:11 am to Penrod
quote:
You're basically right, but hero worshipers need a hero, and they've settled on Brady.
I think the biggest factor is committing to this offense.
Stupid people trying to overthink something so obvious and simple is funny
Posted on 9/27/19 at 10:21 am to PensaTigers
Brady and his scheme are what I like to talent multipliers. For the sake of conversation lets just call it an Offensive Production Coefficient(OPC). To project what the offense will produce in offensive statistics, take the Offensive Production Potential OPP. Each offensive position group (OPG)is given a score 1-20 for QB, 1-20 for OL, 1-5 for RB, 1-10 for WR for a max of 55 PPG a for elite NFL talent in each position group. Take that number and multiply it by the OPC. For instance Miles OC's typically have an OPC around 0.77. When we multiply that OPC by the LSU OPP in 2013 (OL-15, RB-5, WR-10, QB-15) for an OPP of 45 PPG and you come up with 35 PPG. Brady has an OPC of 1.26. Multiply that OPC by the 2019 LSU OPP which is (OL-13, RB-2, WR-9, QB-19) for 42 PPG and you get 57 PPG!
All BS aside, Brady's system takes a team with great talent, and makes it phenomenal!
All BS aside, Brady's system takes a team with great talent, and makes it phenomenal!
Posted on 9/27/19 at 10:58 am to Choupiqueboy
quote:
If Orgeron repeats Stovall’s dumb management, he will get Brodheaded too. Squat and watch.
I agree with your post, but I read or heard, maybe Hap Glaudi, that Broadhead would not pay or OK the money required to keep Brown.
Hap Glaudi always disliked Cholly Mac's offense and loved Mac Brown's. He stated that he hoped that LSU would one day name Mack Brown Head Coach.
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