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Interesting 247 Scouting Reports for Daniels/Nuss/Howard

Posted on 12/9/22 at 7:04 am
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 12/9/22 at 7:04 am
Thought people might find these reports interesting and sometimes frighteningly accurate.

Does Daniels remind you of Deshaun Watson by chance?

Nussmeier:

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PROJECTION
4-7 Round DAY 3

COMPARISON
Tommy DeVito
ILLINOIS FIGHTING ILLINI

Adequate height with an average frame. Should be able to get north of 200 pounds. Provides outstanding production against strong competition at Texas 6A level. Accurate passer to all levels. Shows good touch on timing routes and other deep throws outside the numbers. Flashes playmaking ability to make impressive off-schedule throws under pressure. That translates not only in game situations, but select 7-on-7 environments as well. Pro-style but quick-footed and shows ability to make first rusher miss to extend play. Encouraging ability to throw on the run. Physical ceiling may be limited. Ball gets out fairly quickly, but tightening the delivery will help. Occasionally takes unnecessary chances. Talented QB with gunslinger mentality and great football pedigree. Among the top Texas QB's in 2021 class. Projects to high-major level with possibility for long-term NFL Draft potential.


Daniels:

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PROJECTION
Second Round

COMPARISON
Deshaun Watson
CLEVELAND BROWNS


Possesses a naturally slender build and frame. Narrow through the shoulders and upper body. Should tack on some bulk at the next level once he gets in a college strength program. Tests as one of the better athletes among the quarterbacks in the 2019 cycle. Has a quick, compact throwing motion with the ability to drive the ball downfield from the pocket and off-platform. Does a nice job of changing ball speed and putting touch on throws. Adept at operating a high octane spread offense. Reads defenses and quickly identifies coverage busts. Dangerous in the RPO game with his vision, quick trigger and running ability. A legitimate run threat who stresses defenses not only as a vertical and quick passer but with the ability to rip off chunk runs and pull away from some defensive backs at the second level. Is the most prolific top quarterback from a stats perspective in the 2019 cycle. Can continue improving the consistency of his mechanics and release. Will need to add significant mass to sustain hits at the next level. Projects as a multi-year Power 5 starter with the upside of being an all-league quarterback at the helm of a highly productive offense if put in the right situation. Projects to an early round NFL draft selection.



Howard:

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PROJECTION
2-3 Round
DAY 2

Adequate frame with lean build that should add some mass in college. Established a following as an elite camp performer early in high school career before taking over varsity starting duties. Has posted encouraging testing numbers early in career (4.76 40, 4.40 shuttle). Consistent, accurate passer to all levels. Steps into throws and gets great zip on balls to the short-to-intermediate range. Posted stellar production in breakout junior campaign. Threw a lot of reps while also valuing the ball, as evidenced by only one INT per 63 pass attempts (five in 316 throws). Not a true dual-threat but functionally mobile with ability to extend plays outside the pocket. Remains accurate on the move. Squares shoulders and fires even when on the run. Plenty of arm strength but still probably some juice to squeeze out at the top end, which should come with add physical mass/strength. Typically stays on top of the ball but will have one sail a bit every once in a while. Possesses a good QB pedigree. Seems quite polished relative to age and could be a particularly high-floor QB at the next level. Projects to high-major competition with long-term NFL Draft potential.

This post was edited on 12/9/22 at 7:05 am
Posted by lsutigerelizabeth
Houma
Member since May 2022
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Posted on 12/9/22 at 7:08 am to
Are these from out of high school?
This post was edited on 12/9/22 at 7:11 am
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
18291 posts
Posted on 12/9/22 at 7:14 am to
quote:

Does Daniels remind you of Deshaun Watson by chance?


Daniels made a masseuse touch his pee-pee?
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
26643 posts
Posted on 12/9/22 at 7:18 am to
Can't really comment on Howard since we really haven't seen him do anything, but it suggests he's a good combination of JD and Nuss - takes care of the ball, big arm, moves well in the pocket.

The Nussmeier evaluation seems spot on.

The Daniels eval is interesting, because it talks about his abilities to read defenses and push the ball downfield. Not sure what happened if that evaluation from 5 years ago is accurate.
Posted by HTX Bayou Bengal
Houston, Texas
Member since Jun 2017
1610 posts
Posted on 12/9/22 at 7:22 am to
In no way does Jayden Daniels remind me of Heisman finalist and National Champion Deshaun Watson
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
30384 posts
Posted on 12/9/22 at 7:30 am to
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Daniels made a masseuse touch his pee-pee?



His butt hole, man.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
30384 posts
Posted on 12/9/22 at 7:33 am to
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The Daniels eval is interesting, because it talks about his abilities to read defenses and push the ball downfield. Not sure what happened if that evaluation from 5 years ago is accurate.


He has a better arm than ranters generally give him credit for, he just doesn't use it. And I don't think his reads are the issue, it's his willingness to trust his receivers and how quickly he actually decides to pull the trigger. Just my opinion though.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
27616 posts
Posted on 12/9/22 at 7:33 am to
I have zero idea what people see in Howard that make them believe in mass that he is going to be the second coming of Jesus Christ.

He was projected to be a decent to good starting QB, he looks like he can be a decent to good starting QB, he probably will end up being a decent to good starting QB.
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
14419 posts
Posted on 12/9/22 at 7:39 am to
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Can't really comment on Howard since we really haven't seen him do anything, but it suggests he's a good combination of JD and Nuss - takes care of the ball, big arm, moves well in the pocket.

The Nussmeier evaluation seems spot on.

The Daniels eval is interesting, because it talks about his abilities to read defenses and push the ball downfield. Not sure what happened if that evaluation from 5 years ago is accurate.

I think you pretty much summed it up.

I'll add this about Nuss. Having watched a lot of Cowboys games in my lifetime, he reminds me a lot of Romo. Same style of play and ability. Romo played a lot of games where he had to outscore opponents and he took a lot of risks that would end in INTs. That being said, he's also the Cowboys all time leader in 4th QTR comebacks and TD passes.

On Howard, we don't know how he'll do, but watching his HS film, he's very mechanically sound as mentioned in his scouting report. He's probably going to be the lowest risk, highest reward at QB, but I'm sure he's going to have growing pains until he gets a lot of reps as a starter.
This post was edited on 12/9/22 at 7:43 am
Posted by BigNastyTiger417
Member since Nov 2021
3086 posts
Posted on 12/9/22 at 7:41 am to
The hype is coming from people who watched him in high school & more importantly, people who coached him/against him. He has the best arm in LSU’s QB room already and has a very high football IQ.
Posted by HC87
Coastal NC
Member since Dec 2014
4556 posts
Posted on 12/9/22 at 7:47 am to
quote:

The Daniels eval is interesting, because it talks about his abilities to read defenses and push the ball downfield. Not sure what happened if that evaluation from 5 years ago is accurate.


His 1st year in the SEC had mixed results. He had to put the ball in creases and trust his receivers to make plays. With the improved, more experienced OL and returning skill pos players JD is going to be better in 23. No doubt in my mind. I won't say like 18' to 19' JB, but Daniels will improve and this OFF is going to be dynamic next season.

With that said Nuss can certainly spin it downfield too and should also get better with more PT with those very same players. I don't envy CBK, but I trust him and staff to make the right decision for the LSU FB program.

Posted by Yewkindewit
Near Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
20047 posts
Posted on 12/9/22 at 7:54 am to
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make them believe “in mass” that he is going to be the second coming of “Jesus Christ”.


ISWYDT……..
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
14419 posts
Posted on 12/9/22 at 7:54 am to
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I have zero idea what people see in Howard that make them believe in mass that he is going to be the second coming of Jesus Christ.

He was projected to be a decent to good starting QB, he looks like he can be a decent to good starting QB, he probably will end up being a decent to good starting QB.

Howard was a 5 star QB until he got injured his SR year. He'd likely be ranked higher if he was taller. He's barely 6'1.

His JR year he threw for 3400 yds 42 TDs and 5 INTs vs good competition.

His SR year he broke his leg. From On3 scouting on his first game back:
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Walker Howard has huge outing in return from injury
Charles Power •
GAME
Walker Howard was 28 of 43 for 509 yards and six touchdowns in leading his Lafayette (La.) St. Thomas More team to a 62-60 win over LaPlace (La.) East St. John. The game marked Howard’s return after missing the previous five weeks with a fractured fibula. You wouldn’t know Howard was coming back from an injury based on how he moved and played. The top 100 passer made several off-platform throws, including one across his body that went for a touchdown in the first half.

Maybe he doesn't blow it up at LSU, but the kid is very impressive and has potential to be a great QB.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28384 posts
Posted on 12/9/22 at 8:02 am to
quote:

He has a better arm than ranters generally give him credit for, he just doesn't use it. And I don't think his reads are the issue, it's his willingness to trust his receivers and how quickly he actually decides to pull the trigger. Just my opinion though.


I agree completely. I think he can see where to go with the ball. There's just a hesitancy to trust it right away...which then allows the receiver to be covered up again and forces him off that read. One of the better examples (IMO) of this was the TD pass to Brian Thomas in the Florida game. Thomas is one-on-one on the outside. Daniels sees it quickly. He looks like he's about to let it go...then he pumps/hesitates for a split second to make certain it is there before then throwing it. Thomas had his guy beat early. The throw was a bit behind Thomas who made a play to come back and get it. But the throw was there right away and there was a tick of hesitation.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
7549 posts
Posted on 12/9/22 at 8:09 am to
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Nussmeier:


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Tommy DeVito




Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
30384 posts
Posted on 12/9/22 at 8:16 am to
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One of the better examples (IMO) of this was the TD pass to Brian Thomas in the Florida game. Thomas is one-on-one on the outside. Daniels sees it quickly. He looks like he's about to let it go...then he pumps/hesitates for a split second to make certain it is there before then throwing it. Thomas had his guy beat early. The throw was a bit behind Thomas who made a play to come back and get it. But the throw was there right away and there was a tick of hesitation.


This is exactly what I have been saying. He sees the play and knows where to throw it. But the hesitation screws that up. So it looks like an underthrow (which it technically is, obviously) but is really a late throw. He could make the longer throw but he doesn't adjust for the hesitation so he underthrows it as a result of letting it go late.

If he could fix that (the question is can he) he would be off the charts good. I want to be hopeful for him, either at LSU or in the NFL, but I am hesitant to trust it will happen.
Posted by LSU7096
Houston
Member since May 2004
2497 posts
Posted on 12/9/22 at 8:17 am to
Accurate passer to all levels.....maybe in high school.
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
41940 posts
Posted on 12/9/22 at 8:19 am to
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I have zero idea what people see in Howard that make them believe in mass that he is going to be the second coming of Jesus Christ.


Where do you people come from? Every damn time.
Posted by SOL2
Dallas burbs
Member since Jan 2020
4781 posts
Posted on 12/9/22 at 8:22 am to
Based on this Howard and JD s/b the best QBs., with Nuss a close 3rd.
Posted by ynlvr
Rocket City
Member since Feb 2009
4591 posts
Posted on 12/9/22 at 8:23 am to
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The throw was a bit behind Thomas who made a play to come back and get it.

Downfield throws are always under thrown.
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