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Posted on 11/12/14 at 10:54 pm to supatigah
People definitely under appreciate Miles' ball control offense and how big of a part it plays in the success of the defense. The ability to convert 3rd and 3 - 4th and 1 situations and stop them on the other side is the key to winning the SEC and national championships.
Guys like Sumlin will never do this because they rely on pitch and catch too much, which doesn't allow any margin for error. Too much accuracy from QB, no room for drops from receivers, always lined up 5 yards off the ball, and susceptible to the weather and field conditions to a greater degree.
But you would think over 10 years time that he would have identified and developed more kids that were serviceable QBs. I can't give him credit for Flynn or JR, and have on good authority that Mettenberger wasn't on his radar, fortunate that sort of fell in our lap.
I think a kid like Patterson could come in and save the day for Miles. Kid knows and runs a more complex passing system than even Mett ran. He's a pass first kid that can be elusive when he runs, and avoids the big hits, sort of like Russell Wilson does. With his brother working aside Cam, he can hit the ground running with our offense.
I guess what I'm saying is that I share the same frustrations as many others do about Miles and the QB situation, and I don't have much confidence that will change until 2016.
Guys like Sumlin will never do this because they rely on pitch and catch too much, which doesn't allow any margin for error. Too much accuracy from QB, no room for drops from receivers, always lined up 5 yards off the ball, and susceptible to the weather and field conditions to a greater degree.
But you would think over 10 years time that he would have identified and developed more kids that were serviceable QBs. I can't give him credit for Flynn or JR, and have on good authority that Mettenberger wasn't on his radar, fortunate that sort of fell in our lap.
I think a kid like Patterson could come in and save the day for Miles. Kid knows and runs a more complex passing system than even Mett ran. He's a pass first kid that can be elusive when he runs, and avoids the big hits, sort of like Russell Wilson does. With his brother working aside Cam, he can hit the ground running with our offense.
I guess what I'm saying is that I share the same frustrations as many others do about Miles and the QB situation, and I don't have much confidence that will change until 2016.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 11:43 pm to wahoocs
I did not read each post, but get the general idea. Though we all hope Harris will learn the importance of spending more time in the film room, for the sake of next year's team, I would hope he still gets some playing time in each game the rest of the season, but have my doubts.
On the receivers--I posted this on the Score Board a few times and didn't get an answer. I think Quinn's minutes & snaps should be reduced a bit at least this week, but he should not be benched. It looks like Diarse is the main receiver used in the same role as Quinn, so hopefully he'll get back in the coach's good graces, unless we all of a sudden see someone like Spears or Peterson magically start getting meanful minutes.
On the receivers--I posted this on the Score Board a few times and didn't get an answer. I think Quinn's minutes & snaps should be reduced a bit at least this week, but he should not be benched. It looks like Diarse is the main receiver used in the same role as Quinn, so hopefully he'll get back in the coach's good graces, unless we all of a sudden see someone like Spears or Peterson magically start getting meanful minutes.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 12:15 am to novabill
What LSU really needs is a top talented QB that has the work ethic as well.
I'm thinking Patterson could fit that criteria.
I HOPE AJ or BH makes huge strides in the off-season.
I'm thinking Patterson could fit that criteria.
I HOPE AJ or BH makes huge strides in the off-season.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 1:42 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Same stuff we heard from 2009-2011
No. From all accounts Lee was the better practice player. He then shite the bed when he got into games against decent competition. JJ was bad also, but your point makes no damn sense.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 2:11 am to Spelt it rong
I've come to the conclusion that, that is why Miles doesn't play Harris more. He loves Jennings work ethic and dedication to the sport. Harris has incredible God given talent, but doesn't put in the work to learn the offense, increase his accuracy, and learn what happens in different coverages. It's like, as soon as he lost the fight earlier on, he just said "frick it" instead of trying to work his arse off to get the start.
Like I've heard from some people who live here, he talks a big game. I didn't want to believe them, but when you see some of the same stuff on this board and then the tweet I read in this thread, it's probably more true than not. He needs to learn to back up the big talk. Everything isn't just going to be given to you. Everybody saw how long it took Beckwith to overtake Welter.
He put in the time and work to get better. Yeah, he was bad against Auburn, where he got most of his playing time before he started against UF, but he has gotten better and better each week. We have held each opponent to their worse, or second worse rushing output over the last 4 games.
If Harris can put in the work needed, there is no doubt that he will be starting game one next year.
On a final note, I hate it for people like Jennings who put so much time and effort into trying to get better at something, yet still can't even take one step forward into the right direction. I'm pulling for both of them though.
Like I've heard from some people who live here, he talks a big game. I didn't want to believe them, but when you see some of the same stuff on this board and then the tweet I read in this thread, it's probably more true than not. He needs to learn to back up the big talk. Everything isn't just going to be given to you. Everybody saw how long it took Beckwith to overtake Welter.
He put in the time and work to get better. Yeah, he was bad against Auburn, where he got most of his playing time before he started against UF, but he has gotten better and better each week. We have held each opponent to their worse, or second worse rushing output over the last 4 games.
If Harris can put in the work needed, there is no doubt that he will be starting game one next year.
On a final note, I hate it for people like Jennings who put so much time and effort into trying to get better at something, yet still can't even take one step forward into the right direction. I'm pulling for both of them though.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 3:45 am to supatigah
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usually in these situations there are basic timelines and expectations for development. When the player can't or won't do what you tell them to, when you tell them to and in the expected part of the development timeline, they fall back and you start to lose patience.
I suspect harris will win the job next year because he is obviously physically better and he will grow up and earn what he gets.
Harris didn't play any football until he was in high school. Even then, he was only the QB for his last two years. That is the reason why he shot out of nowhere on the recruiting trail after his junior year (his first year playing football to my knowledge). He went from unknown to the #3 ranked dual threat in a matter of months. He was nothing but raw talent. Pure instinct. That is pretty much how he played in the spring game when everybody was in awe of him. He's Mariota with a stronger arm once he has learned how to play the game.
Mariota was also a very green QB out of Hawaii, that nobody really gave a chance on but Oregon. He didn't play as a true freshman, but it was rumored that his talent was so great, that he would beat out Darren Thomas (pretty good college QB in his own right) after he redshirted. Many believe that is why Thomas left early as well. We saw Mariota quickly dominate, not even playing in half of the fourth quarters that year.
That's the truly scary, and exciting thing about Harris. Ever since I saw him, I said, if he could sit and learn the position for two years (he was very raw), he would be a monster for LSU, and break all kinds of LSU passing records. I mean he has heisman and NFL level talent and just that "it" factor. Learning a Cam's system and trying to stay above water in class as a freshman at LSU, he probably doesn't put in the extra work (film study, outside of practice reps with WRs, etc) to actually start or even play much as a true freshman.
Playing as a true freshman QB is already extremely rare, starting requires a complete frick up by the guy/s in front, bad depth, and possible injury to said guy/s in front. Compound that with school, learning the fundamentals of playing QB, learning the playbook, executing the playbook, learning about all of the many different defensive coverages, etc he probably just says "frick it" with anything extra. Since he started out late playing QB (or any football for that matter), he has a lot of technical problems. His #3 ranking as a dual threat was off of pure talent. Meaning, if this kid put it together upstairs, he'd be ferocious. I just can't wait to finally see him on the field again. Haven't seen pure QB talent at LSU like that since Perriloux. Also, Mett had a rocket arm and the height, but it took him years to produce good results at QB.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 7:34 am to novabill
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While I appreciate his effort, the better player, not the hardest working one should be playing.
Slippery slope here. What if all the more talented players took this approach? This is simply not a precedent any coach wants to set. His teammates should be the ones riding his arse about his work ethic.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 7:35 am to Spelt it rong
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Believe me or not.
Sorry, but I'm going with not. Just doesn't ring true to me that 1- he'd talk to someone who just happened to be sitting behind him about these types of matters in such details and 2- that he would use that type of stilted language and phraseology.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 7:46 am to Meatball
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That's a lot of pressure. The moment was just too big for him. I would have liked to see him get a start at home in a friendly evironment.
he looked good on the one play he got vs bama
Posted on 11/13/14 at 7:47 am to monsterballads
He got injured on that play
Posted on 11/13/14 at 7:48 am to TigerBait1127
did he? I was at the game and wondered what happened
Posted on 11/13/14 at 7:55 am to monsterballads
Not going thru the whole thread but it should be VERY easy for this board to figure out what backup guard said this. Has to be a backup guard from the Lafayette area if he was in Lafayette on his weekend off watching ULLLLLLLL play.
Get to work sleuths!
I'm guessing Boutte or Hawkins(starter though).....
Get to work sleuths!
I'm guessing Boutte or Hawkins(starter though).....
This post was edited on 11/13/14 at 8:02 am
Posted on 11/13/14 at 8:05 am to Louie T
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That's fine and dandy... to the point when your season is lost and there really isn't a whole lot left to strive for besides a mediocre bowl game
I don't understand this line of thinking. LSU is 7-3 with still plenty left to play for. A season is not lost just because a championship is out of the picture. This line of thinking is the definition of a bandwagon fan.
Harris must have a deficiency that many on this board refuse to accept as a possibility. There's a reason he's not playing and it's probably because he's more of a liability than an asset out there compared to Jennings. He will have his chance to win the job in the spring. If he doesn't, then that's on him.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:26 am to Datbayoubengal
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Haven't seen pure QB talent at LSU like that since Perriloux. Also, Mett had a rocket arm and the height, but it took him years to produce good results at QB.
I agree. I actually think he may be a better runner than Perriloux. Harris has averaged 6.1 ypc this year (with sacks included), has 3 rushing TDs on just 26 carries and has the longest rush of the year for LSU. It has been limited carries, but he has averaged 7+ ypc in 5 games and had good averages in every game but the 1st game of the year when he was a deer in headlights. He is a true dual threat.
The Bama game was the first time I've seen Jennings use his feet well against a good team. He did a really good job extending drives with his feet in the 2nd half.
But Harris has a lot more speed on the field. If Harris isn't getting the other stuff, we should at least have some basic read package plays for Harris to run here and there because it's a way of keeping the ball on the ground and possibly getting a lot more yards. Some say our play calling is vanilla, but I don't even think it's that tasty.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 10:09 am to Big EZ Tiger
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, but it took him years to produce good results at QB.
WTF? He was the starter at Georgia, he lite it up and was player of the year in JUCO, and he was the best qb the second he stepped on LSUs campus. But the JJ, JL cluster frick was in full swing at that point.
Don't kid yourself...we win it all that year with Mett at the wheel.
Now fast forward. We have the same type of cluster brewing at qb again. Les will not pull AJ. Even when he does, Harris will be constantly having to look at the sideline to see if he's coming out.
And spare me the ignorance if the film room crap. Has AJ looked like it matters if you watch film?
He's looked as lost as the next guy.
This post was edited on 11/13/14 at 10:24 am
Posted on 11/13/14 at 10:28 am to GeeOH
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Don't kid yourself...we win it all that year with Mett at the wheel.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 7:29 pm to Salviati
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Salviati
Just FYI-I was not incorrect about the statistics. The difference is that I'm using JJ's first year as fulltime starter vs you using JJ's first year on campus.
But regarding statistics, Jefferson lost 4 games. We're 7-3 wih 3 to play so don't act like the W-L is some demonstrative statement in favor of Jenings as its not.
Oh and would you agree to utilize different stats than the QBR? It's one of the worst stats in Sports. At least in my opinion. Oh and last but not least, the statistics I used were the ones And The Valley Shook used to advocate the benching of Jennings. So your beef is with them, not me. But I put more credence into their consistently objective approach than yours.
This post was edited on 11/13/14 at 7:31 pm
Posted on 11/13/14 at 7:36 pm to GeeOH
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WTF? He was the starter at Georgia, he lite it up and was player of the year in JUCO, a
Yes he lit it up in JUCO, and that makes him the greatest ever! Dude never played a snap for UGA. He was beat out at UGA then went JUCO after getting the sexual harassment thing. He did incredible at Butler, but the SEC West isn't Butler. He had zero pocket presence, zero awareness, overthrew all his deep passes, and looked lost for the first half of the SEC slate. That was a year AFTER he got here.
JJ/Lee put up 2135 pass yards 21 TDs and 5 ints in only 279 attempts. JJ added 263 rush yards and 3 TDs.
Mett put up 2609 yards on 352 attempts with 12 TDs and 7 ints the very next year. So, nearly even in total yardage plus twice as many TDs.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:01 pm to RedTigerRulz
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Well.....with all the hearsay about Harris and his lack of dedication in the filmroom...it must be fact now....right???? I mean isn't that how it works????
For the record, insiders at 247 have confirmed this "lack of extra work" or "film room time" or whatever you want to call it.
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