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re: If Smart is cleared then what is the rational behind keeping Wade suspended?
Posted on 3/15/19 at 10:32 am to Philippines4LSU
Posted on 3/15/19 at 10:32 am to Philippines4LSU
quote:Why would they want to fire Wade?
They want to fire Wade.
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Posted on 3/15/19 at 10:33 am to LSVTigers77
It was really mean to refuse to meet with the great leaders of LSU. That's it.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 10:33 am to Dock Holiday
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Why do you keep saying this as if it's a fact?
You have no idea what Wade did or didn't tell LSU.
Do you have an agenda?
do you think he told LSU about the Smart tape?
Posted on 3/15/19 at 10:34 am to Philippines4LSU
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They want to fire Wade.
If that was the case, it would have happened already.
They have no desire to fire a winning coach who puts butts in seats in the PMAC.
This isn't hard. Smart talked to LSU and NCAA and is fine. All WW has to do is talk to LSU and NCAA and he will be fine as well.
But WW lawyered up and that's making this much worse.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 10:34 am to LSVTigers77
Letting Wiretap Willy coach = lack of institutional control
Dude is done at LSU
Dude is done at LSU
Posted on 3/15/19 at 10:35 am to Screaming Viking
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WW, by running his mouth on a phone call created a situation in which its impossible for Wade to be the coach.
FIFY
Posted on 3/15/19 at 10:37 am to The First Cut
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Failing to meet over NCAA compliance issues is a breach of his contract.
I highly doubt an arbiter would see it that way. Wade will not meet with the NCAA to discuss a current legal matter, his contract is not going to force him to do so. If he were to continue to decline such an interview AFTER the legalities were finished, then LSU would have a case.
As it is LSU created a situation in which Wade cannot win. Its clear as day to anyone with eyes.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 10:39 am to The Pirate King
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This isn’t complicated and I have no idea why the same thread keeps getting made over and over again.
Because either
1) We have the stupidest fan base in the country. And by stupid, I mean unintelligent.
2) Our fan base is in complete denial
3) Winning is more important than anything else, especially when "other schools are cheating"
This isn't hard to understand. But you have to want to understand it.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 10:42 am to jcole4lsu
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I highly doubt an arbiter would see it that way. Wade will not meet with the NCAA to discuss a current legal matter, his contract is not going to force him to do so. If he were to continue to decline such an interview AFTER the legalities were finished, then LSU would have a case.
His contract says he must cooperate with any and all LSU or NCAA investigations. Not meeting = not cooperating.
There is no clause in his contract that says that part of the contract doesn't apply if WW has been given notice he might have to be a witness at a trial.
WW running his mouth on a phone call isn't LSU's fault, is it?
Posted on 3/15/19 at 10:46 am to jcole4lsu
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I highly doubt an arbiter would see it that way. Wade will not meet with the NCAA to discuss a current legal matter, his contract is not going to force him to do so. If he were to continue to decline such an interview AFTER the legalities were finished, then LSU would have a case. As it is LSU created a situation in which Wade cannot win. Its clear as day to anyone with eyes.
It's possible, if not likely, that had termination been made over his failure to comply with a joint investigation, a lawsuit would've been filed. It's also entirely possible for Wade to meet with the administration and the NCAA with his lawyer present to advise him against answering certain questions. Every other coach from the other schools involved with this sweeping investigation have met with their bosses. Wade's attorney is worried about Wade's criminal exposure, that's why he's withheld him from the interview. I can't say that I blame him, but that's why we are where we are.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 11:04 am to Epic Cajun
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So they are punishing him because he refuses to talk, based upon his attorneys recommendation,
That is pretty much it, and totally understandable in the context of LSU athletics and NCAA compliance.
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not because he did anything wrong?
Only because the appearance of impropriety is there and refusing to talk to them makes it look worse. And if you don't think optics are a major part of college athletics and this in particular, you're not paying attention.
My biggest concern is that the NCAA is looking to do something to return the appearance of integrity (
) and Wade being the only head coach on tape puts a bullseye on his back and LSU by association. The lesson here? Always use a surrogate, always.
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t's fricking petty, if Smart is cleared of wrongdoing, so should Wade.
Two different things.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 11:11 am to mdomingue
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My biggest concern is that the NCAA is looking to do something to return the appearance of integrity ( ) and Wade being the only head coach on tape puts a bullseye on his back and LSU by association.
Yup. This is the college basketball version of bountygate. LSU going to get nailed because NCAA doesn't have the proof to nail anyone else.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 11:14 am to LSVTigers77
I think the rationale is that if an employee won't talk to you about work related business then you have to do "something".
Posted on 3/15/19 at 11:16 am to LSVTigers77
"Because he didn't meet with us and we're made about it....waaaaaaaaah"
Posted on 3/15/19 at 11:20 am to LSVTigers77
Short answer is Smart and his family cooperated in the investigation and Wade refused on advice of counsel.
If you care to read the statement reinstating Smart it’s all there if you read it and read between the lines.
Smart cooperated with the joint investigation with the NCAA.
The investigation continues.
LSU cleared Smart. NCAA has not.
The last part of the statement was LSU cleared Smart bcs he cooperated.
Wade refused.
If your question is why. That’s why.
If you care to read the statement reinstating Smart it’s all there if you read it and read between the lines.
Smart cooperated with the joint investigation with the NCAA.
The investigation continues.
LSU cleared Smart. NCAA has not.
The last part of the statement was LSU cleared Smart bcs he cooperated.
Wade refused.
If your question is why. That’s why.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 11:22 am to Lester Earl
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do you think he told LSU about the Smart tape?
How do YOU know that he knew specifically there was a "Smart Tape"?
That's the thing here. There is absolutely no way of me or you knowing what phone conversations of ours have been recorded over the last 2 years. Maybe there have been, maybe there have not. Multiply that times 10,000 and you get an idea of how busy a guy like Wade is and how many phone conversations he has. To think Dawkins is the only middle man he has ever talked to is laughable. To think Dawkins didn't talk to 500 other coaches on similar subjects is also laughable.
He can't assume all conversations he's ever had with handlers/middle men have been recorded.
I will however assume all coaches talk about things that are not exactly inside the NCAA rule guidelines.
On that note, he was likely asked if he's ever done business with Dawkins, which is why he has denied that fact publicly. Doing business with and speaking to him are two different animals.
You don't know the questions he was asked and you don't know the answers or statements he has given in "private" to LSU Admin
You are trying too hard to connect dots and pass assumptions on as facts. You assume LSU officials asked him specific questions on this subject and he said something that can be considered a lie.
Maybe, just maybe LSU Admin were not specific enough in their questions, they have already shown their incompetence in buckets...
Look, I think, to some extent, Wade is getting what he deserves at this point, he was sloppy and it appears he MAY have crossed a line. He needs to go sit in the corner for a while and take the punishment.
BUT, man have LSU officials once again botched a situation on an epic level. There was a chance to steady the ship, have a good future relationship with a very good basketball coach, and potentially avoid major penalties. Put it behind us and move on. Now we have soured the relationship with the good coach AND possibly face harsh penalties anyway.
Who will LSU be able to hire when this all gets settled if/when Wade is gone? Think along the lines of Ole Miss football and you have your answer...
Posted on 3/15/19 at 11:27 am to Lester Earl
quote:
do you think he told LSU about the Smart tape?
Do you think he didn't?
Both his answer and yours would be an opinion. Both his answer and yours would be unverifiable at this time. Both his answer and yours are irrelevant.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 7:27 am to LSUFanHouston
Houston,
WW made it impossible for him to coach LSU right now??
-why is it possible for the other coaches at schools specifically named in this case?
-do you (or I) know all of the details in this case?
-is WW a witness? Or a defendant?
-has the ncaa even started an investigation?
You know all of the answers. I have never once said that Coach is innocent of anything. However, you said it was “impossible” for WW to coach LSU because of WW. Maybe after the ncaa does an investigation, you may be right. But for right now, WW is not the reason that he is not coaching LSU. The slimy administration created a lose/lose scenario for WW, so that they can save face. Period.
WW made it impossible for him to coach LSU right now??
-why is it possible for the other coaches at schools specifically named in this case?
-do you (or I) know all of the details in this case?
-is WW a witness? Or a defendant?
-has the ncaa even started an investigation?
You know all of the answers. I have never once said that Coach is innocent of anything. However, you said it was “impossible” for WW to coach LSU because of WW. Maybe after the ncaa does an investigation, you may be right. But for right now, WW is not the reason that he is not coaching LSU. The slimy administration created a lose/lose scenario for WW, so that they can save face. Period.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:39 am to LSVTigers77
JA is an SEC puppet, looks out for the bottom line and not the athletes, coaches or fans. If you believe the SEC is involved in holding LSU down to promote their golden children (Bama football and Kentucky basketball), then it isn't far fetched to believe that our spineless AD cowered to their demands. Also, don't forget for one second that the LSU BOS are not LSU fans (most aren't even LSU grads); they are business people interested in their own bottom line - how can they profit from the appointed position. Most are snakes interested in swiping tax dollars and not in the progress of LSU, its students, athletes, coaches or fans. Not hard to believe the BOS found a way to line their pockets prior to giving JA the go ahead to suspend WW.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 10:01 am to Screaming Viking
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-why is it possible for the other coaches at schools specifically named in this case?
Any other coaches heard on wiretap have been fired. To my knowledge, this has only been assistants, other than WW.
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do you (or I) know all of the details in this case?
That's why you investigate. If one of the parties isn't willing to participate in the investigation, you have to remove them from the program.
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is WW a witness? Or a defendant?
At this point, he is a potential witness, which is why his hiding behind his attorney is so strange.
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-has the ncaa even started an investigation?
Irrelevant to LSU's ability to run their department how they see fit. Many violations are self-reported, so at the time of reporting there was no active NCAA investigation.
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However, you said it was “impossible” for WW to coach LSU because of WW. Maybe after the ncaa does an investigation, you may be right. But for right now,
It's impossible for him to coach right now, because a company can not allow an employee to work if the employee is unwilling to talk to the boss. Doesn't matter if you are an SEC coach or working at the chicken plant.
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