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Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:10 pm to talmaniandevil_25
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he’s barely eligible, literally on the day of the draft.
not to be “that guy”, but his birthday is after the draft.
Aug 1 is the cutoff date to turn 21 and of course that’s his 21st birthday.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 12:55 am to Lgrnwd
He could be the next Mark Mcgwire.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 3:29 am to Lester Earl
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It is just not all that valuable of a position. And while his power is monstrous, his profile as a RH, bat-first corner player is not all that unique.
This is something I'd like to tell myself to convince myself that he might come back. But while you are correct that his general profile is not unique, his natural power might be the best in this whole draft class. It's one thing to hit a lot of home runs, but to be able to swing off balance and muscle a ball easily out of the park is not something you find very often.
So the question is all about his recognition of off speed pitches, That improved quite a lot just in the early part of the season, but his patience improved vastly in the last part of the year. A light truly seemed to come on, and it makes me really wish we could see him for another year here. I just think the immense power he possesses, plus his propensity of drawing walks, despite the strikeouts, is very much the prototypical modern power hitter's profile. Except his power is top of the charts. Tough to pass on that but, selfishly, I'd sure not mind it if teams did pass, and he comes back and makes them all look silly.
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 3:32 am
Posted on 6/5/24 at 6:46 am to Lgrnwd
He made some improvement, but 40 hrs is a pipe dream. I bet that he goes to the show. Some team is going to draft him early enough on the potential. He certainly has big league power.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 7:11 am to Lgrnwd
Only 40 homers? Why not 80?
Posted on 6/5/24 at 7:16 am to Lgrnwd
What other positions could he play with regards to proving his versatility and thus draft stock? He has played catcher before. I don't recall him being particularly good there but with some reps maybe he could get into the rotation. Sort of like how trav put in some innings, at least early on. There's an opening at 3b... If he's got a good arm he could potentially got stuck in one of the corner OF spots but that wouldn't be ideal I don't think.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 7:40 am to Double Oh
Too many ifs in returning next year and LSU will find another first baseman. Maybe Brown.
He'll go and start benefitting from professional coaching, hitting with wooden bats, etc. imo.
He'll go and start benefitting from professional coaching, hitting with wooden bats, etc. imo.
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 7:45 am
Posted on 6/5/24 at 8:07 am to FredbullTN
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I think something that gets overlooked is how they pay the signing bonus. It’s my understanding they get 50% 30 days after signing and then the other 50% the following year. Probably not hard to bridge the gap between what LSU could offer in NIL and what Jones would get at signing being picked in the 119 range.
I don’t think that’s a factor. If someone guarantees me $800,000 it doesn’t make a ton of difference if I get it all this season or half next season. It’s certainly a little better - maybe worth another $40k to me - to get it all this year. But what you are pointing out is a cash flow issue, and half gives him way more cash than he needs for the next year.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 8:30 am to Lester Earl
he doesnt need to lose any weight. he is 1b and doesnt need a great 60 time. he is a power hitter, the extra weight helps that. not like he is even close to 20% BF.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:01 am to Metaloctopus
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his natural power might be the best in this whole draft class
It’s not tho. He is 3rd amongst SEC prospects alone. Safely
That is not even account for Tommy White, Blake Burke, Braden Montgomery, or Dakota Jordan
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:05 am to lsu777
He doesn’t have to lose weight. But could stand to lose some lbs so that he moves better. It looks like he got bigger as the season went on.
lol you can’t be serious
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not like he is even close to 20% BF.
lol you can’t be serious
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:09 am to Lester Earl
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It’s not tho. He is 3rd amongst SEC prospects alone. Safely
A certain tracking thing has Jones with the highest bat speed of anyone in college baseball.
What he said is not necessarily incorrect.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:15 am to thunderbird1100
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certain tracking thing has Jones with the highest bat speed of anyone in college baseball.
What he said is not necessarily incorrect.
Bat speed doesn’t mean he has the most power.
Cagliaone has exit velo that no one else in college can touch. And we all know what Charlie Condon did. His post is 100% incorrect and that isn’t a slight on Jones.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:18 am to Lester Earl
When people say Jones can’t boost his stock any
Caglione K%/ Avg/SLG by year
18% / .288 / .548
18% / .323 / .738
8% / .410 / 847
He isn’t close to Cags as a prospect but Jones still has much room to improve & still keep his leverage
Caglione K%/ Avg/SLG by year
18% / .288 / .548
18% / .323 / .738
8% / .410 / 847
He isn’t close to Cags as a prospect but Jones still has much room to improve & still keep his leverage
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 9:21 am
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:20 am to fightntiger32
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He won't be back.
It actually doesnt make sense for him to go pro with NIL. Unless he would just have a complete shite year next year he would actually pocket more by staying another year with a fat NIL deal plus a junior year draft signing bonus. The only risk would be injury but there arent too many first basemen you see getting career ending injuries.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:23 am to Lester Earl
Jones doesn't really have a lot of leverage and never will.
He's a R/R first baseman. It's the worst draft category and has the lowest pan out rate.
A lot of the R/R guys that end up making it as 1B in the majors didn't start their career there.
Jones has some things he could work on that will improve his chances of panning out, and he can do it in a relatively safer environment in college.
But if he wants to improve his actual draft stock, he'd have to get behind the plate for a little bit and prove he could at least be serviceable there at the next level.
ETA: Les, I see you covered most of this already.
He's a R/R first baseman. It's the worst draft category and has the lowest pan out rate.
A lot of the R/R guys that end up making it as 1B in the majors didn't start their career there.
Jones has some things he could work on that will improve his chances of panning out, and he can do it in a relatively safer environment in college.
But if he wants to improve his actual draft stock, he'd have to get behind the plate for a little bit and prove he could at least be serviceable there at the next level.
ETA: Les, I see you covered most of this already.
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 9:25 am
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:23 am to Lgrnwd
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If Bear comes back, I predict
I really hope you are right but I just don't see it. Man, I hope you are right.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:30 am to Lgrnwd
He has no benefit to come back, unfortunately.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:25 am to Lester Earl
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It’s not tho. He is 3rd amongst SEC prospects alone. Safely
That is not even account for Tommy White, Blake Burke, Braden Montgomery, or Dakota Jordan
You're talking about home run totals? I said "natural power". There have been lots of guys who put up big home run seasons in college, but didn't translate near as well at the next level. There are also ballpark factors, like lots of tiny parks throughout college baseball, whereas Alex Box is more of a traditional or "normal" size field.
But mainly, there are guys who made contact more often, and thus were able to get to their power more often. For Jones to be a guy who's still relatively raw, to still manage to hit 28 home runs says a lot about how much more power is still to come. He made vast improvements this year, so if you're a scout who's looking at trajectory, you gotta feel pretty good about where he is, and what's to come.
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