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re: If 2-5 losses per year was good enough for Saban, why not Miles?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 6:34 am to BGSB
Posted on 12/2/15 at 6:34 am to BGSB
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Post Sabans record at Alabama, and you will quickly realize that Les is not in the same hemisphere as Saban as far as coaching goes.
First, who is in the same hemisphere as Saban?
Second, Saban at LSU didn't have a Saban at Bama to play every year (sometimes twice).
Third, LSU is not Bama, and lol at the people who think it is.
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Posted on 12/2/15 at 6:37 am to pt448
Saban took over a crap LSU program and brought it to a national title, leaving it in great shape. Les had early success but the last few years coupled with Saban's domination at Bama won't cut it for demanding fans.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 6:37 am to pt448
Because your talking about nonsense. 2002 lsu was bound to be a really good team except the starting qb got hurt vs Florida in a blowout win. There is a difference between Matt Mauck and Marcus Randall.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 6:55 am to pt448
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Miles has a better record and more top 10 finishes yet many can't get over Saban leaving and wish Miles would have gotten the boot. It just doesn't make sense to me.
3-7 vs Saban. Do you enjoy being Bama's bitch for the past 5 games?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 6:56 am to pt448
This thread is part of the reason why we are in the spot we are in right now. The Saban and Miles performances are not even comparable.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 6:57 am to rantfan
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The only team undefeated in regulation. Miles sold that to the voters and he won his case on and of the field.
I wasn't saying that LSU didn't deserve to play in the NC that year
Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:06 am to RuLSU
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Numbers don't lie, but accountants do.
When Saban was at LSU, there was no one program and no one coach that was dominating the SEC.
Miles is at LSU when Saban is dominating at Alabama.
Thanks for making the point. Saban build LSU Football and Miles is carrying his touch, for 4.5 mill a year.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:12 am to RUKidding
Saban has been gone for 11 years. It's amazing how much credit he gets still 11 years after he has been gone.
The obsession some have over the guy is pretty embarrassing.
The obsession some have over the guy is pretty embarrassing.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:28 am to pt448
One coach was engaged in a turnaround, one wasnt
Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:35 am to pt448
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Miles has a better record and more top 10 finishes yet many can't get over Saban leaving and wish Miles would have gotten the boot. It just doesn't make sense to me.
When Saban arrived LSU was a train wreck and he resurrected a flailing program.
When Miles arrived it was a national brand loaded with NFL talent. Just look at the 34-6 beginning record. Those 3 teams should have never lost a game. Those were the epitome of the "2-loss Les" days meaning no matter how much talent LSU has they will find a way to lose at least two games.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:36 am to pt448
Expectations are far greater now with Miles than with Saban, and even more so on Miles since Saban has done so well at Bama.
Everyone keeps talking about the talent gap at LSU when he arrived. That's crap. So how did Saban go undefeated in his 2nd/3rd year at Bama and only 1 year with less than 2 losses in the SEC the entire time while he was at LSU? And that was when the SECw was down.
Talent when he arrived at LSU was far better than when he arrived at Bama. Recruiting classes before he arrived at Bama: 24th, 18th, 11th. I wish the had rankings for the classes under DiNardo because his classes were at least that good. He just couldn't coach as well.
Saban's 1st 3 years, players drafted into the NFL (not his recruits):
LSU - 3, 5, 4 = 12 players. Record: 26-12 (went to 1 BCS game)
Bama - 0, 4, 7 = 11 players. Record: 28-8 (went to 2 BCS games and won a NC)
Saban @ Bama isn't the same coach he was at LSU. People need to stop comparing Saban @ Bama to Miles @ LSU, especially since against that standard not a single coach in the country stacks up.
Everyone keeps talking about the talent gap at LSU when he arrived. That's crap. So how did Saban go undefeated in his 2nd/3rd year at Bama and only 1 year with less than 2 losses in the SEC the entire time while he was at LSU? And that was when the SECw was down.
Talent when he arrived at LSU was far better than when he arrived at Bama. Recruiting classes before he arrived at Bama: 24th, 18th, 11th. I wish the had rankings for the classes under DiNardo because his classes were at least that good. He just couldn't coach as well.
Saban's 1st 3 years, players drafted into the NFL (not his recruits):
LSU - 3, 5, 4 = 12 players. Record: 26-12 (went to 1 BCS game)
Bama - 0, 4, 7 = 11 players. Record: 28-8 (went to 2 BCS games and won a NC)
Saban @ Bama isn't the same coach he was at LSU. People need to stop comparing Saban @ Bama to Miles @ LSU, especially since against that standard not a single coach in the country stacks up.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:37 am to GeauxTigersLee
You are confusing them with facts. People on this board hate facts.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:37 am to Mulerider
quote:Then how did the mighty Saban manage to lose 3 games in 2004 with all that talent? Saban's ONLY team at LSU that has been better than ANY of his Bama teams (excluding his 1st year) was the NC team. Every single other team had at least 3 losses.
Just look at the 34-6 beginning record. Those 3 teams should have never lost a game. Those were the epitome of the "2-loss Les" days meaning no matter how much talent LSU has they will find a way to lose at least two games.
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 7:40 am
Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:37 am to tarzana
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DiNardo was feeding off Curley's recruits.
Did DiNardo bring in Kevin Faulk?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:42 am to Mulerider
quote:Yup, as well as these NFL draft picks...
DiNardo bring in Kevin Faulk
Anthony McFarland
Todd McClure
Brandon Winey
Josh Booty
Louis Williams
Josh Reed
Rohan Davey
Jarvis Green
Robert Royal
Howard Green
Domanick Davis
Bradie James
LaBrandon Toefield
Norman Lejeune
But don't less the facts get in the way of defending Saban's talent gap at LSU when he arrived. Sure, he was able to bring in more talent, but people act like they were recruiting like Ole Miss before he arrived.
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 7:46 am
Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:43 am to pt448
Saban was just getting started here. The new football operations building wasn't even completed before he left. Anyone that doesn't credit Saban for getting this program to the next level is lying to themselves. I sincerely believe that had he stayed, we'd have at least two more National Championships.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:44 am to pt448
Um no, this is the Saban record that matters now.
2007 7–6
2008 12–2 SEC W Champs
2009 14–0 National Champs
2010 10–3
2011 12–1 National Champs
2012 13–1 National Champs
2013 11–2
2014 12–2 SEC Champs
ETA
2015 11-1 SEC W Champs
2007 7–6
2008 12–2 SEC W Champs
2009 14–0 National Champs
2010 10–3
2011 12–1 National Champs
2012 13–1 National Champs
2013 11–2
2014 12–2 SEC Champs
ETA
2015 11-1 SEC W Champs
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 8:00 am
Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:58 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
quote:Yeah, but you'll never convince the Miles supporters with this. They're convinced that LSU just can't be as consistent as Alabama. If we dare dream of having the run of success that Bama does, we're immediately labeled "entitled" or "spoiled".
Um no, this is the Saban record that matters now.
2007 2–6
2008 12–2 SEC W Champs
2009 14–0 National Champs
2010 10–3
2011 12–1 National Champs
2012 13–1 National Champs
2013 11–2
2014 12–2 SEC Champs
ETA
2015 11-1 SEC W Champs
Posted on 12/2/15 at 8:01 am to BeeFense5
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It's amazing how much credit he gets still 11 years after he has been gone.
He had buildings built and facilities upgraded to make our program more enticing to recruits...to act like that still doesn't impact recruits today is being dishonest.
Do you think LSU would be the program it is today if CLM followed Dinardo?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 8:07 am to Laman1978
quote:Please provide 1 other team that has been as consistent at that level over the last 20 years over a 8 year stretch. The only coaches I can think of is Bowden at FSU, and he only won 2 titles, and Urban Meyer at OSU (in that weak conference). Once Saban got Bama rolling, Urban conveniently decided to get out at Florida.
Yeah, but you'll never convince the Miles supporters with this. They're convinced that LSU just can't be as consistent as Alabama.
If Saban wasn't in the SEC, we wouldn't be having this conversation. I'm not a Miles supporter and I wanted Jimbo, but I don't like having to compare Miles to the only coach with the level of success that Saban has had over a 8+ year stretch.
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