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re: I would not trade baseball coaches with any team

Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:29 am to
Posted by StickD
Houston
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:29 am to
They forgot to list the FSU coach.

The winningest coach in college baseball.

Never change rantards. Priceless.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:29 am to
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I would not trade baseball coaches with any team


I'll sure as hell trade assistant coaches.
Posted by StickD
Houston
Member since Apr 2010
10535 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:35 am to
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They know that if you have 2 elite starters, a few great arms in the pen, and a great defense to back them up, you can win in Omaha. And that's exactly what Florida did last year and what we have done. It's why Florida and LSU have been the class of college baseball the last decade.


Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158756 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:35 am to
he deserves crap for his coaching staff and he further hamstrung himself when he promoted Cain to a paid position. Now in order to improve his hitting issue, you'd have demote or fire Cain. Does Cain necessarily deserve to be fired? Nah but he probably shouldn't have been one of your paid staffers either though.

I think he'd benefit greatly from some new blood and a pair of outside eyes that didn't graduate from Paul's school of thinking
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
71528 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:41 am to
Which of those 3 do you have a problem with?
Posted by KLSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2003
10290 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:45 am to
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You think those 7 are better than Maineri?


Yes!

Along with others.

I think if you had put those 7 at LSU they would have won more than CPM. Again, this is just my opinion which doesn't mean anything.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64549 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:47 am to
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In 7 of 8 years we hit 51 or less hrs - this year 48. So no.


Florida home runs by year

2017: 53
2016: 53
2015: 66
2014: 26

This year has been an outlier for them and they will lose the majority of their team to the draft after the season.
Posted by Stud Bud
MS But travel all over the country
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:49 am to
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to lsu2006 he deserves crap for his coaching staff and he further hamstrung himself when he promoted Cain to a paid position. Now in order to improve his hitting issue, you'd have demote or fire Cain. Does Cain necessarily deserve to be fired? Nah but he probably shouldn't have been one of your paid staffers either though. I think he'd benefit greatly from some new blood and a pair of outside eyes that didn't graduate from Paul's school of thinking


This.

Don’t want Paul fired, but he needs to slow down on just offering jobs to former players because he likes them. He’s doing a disservice the players he has under him right now by helping non-qualified former players.

Put Cain/Gibbs/Ochinco on a shadow staff looking/reviewing talent and help them get an assistant job somewhere else or use one of your many MLB connections. Go hire a qualified hitting coach who can also recruit to a school like LSU


Again, don’t want Paul fired. He just took the team to the CWS final. I’d like to see him win another NC before he retires, but I don’t think he can do it with this current staff by developing their own players instead of inheriting guys who were coached by Canni.
Posted by klew5
Member since Mar 2008
211 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:50 am to
Last year was our deepest run in those 8 years and it just happened to be the outlier in which we saw an uptick in hrs - 69.

I’m not saying hrs = wins I’m just saying PM has power way too low on his priorities and it’s become a detriment. Especially with how fragile pitchers have become.
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
71528 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:50 am to
Bilj, it’s time for Paul to re-evaluate his recruiting philosophy.

Sacrifice a pitcher or two and get a first baseman. Find at least 1 power bat. Stocking up on versatile athletes isn’t terrible, but he needs to tweak it.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158756 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:51 am to
I mean its tough to argue a guy that CPM has thoroughly dominated like DVH is better than PM. There's pretty compelling evidence to the contrary.

and if it weren't for Mike Martin, Fox would probably be next on the list of under achieving coaches.

Bianco? No thanks.
This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 12:02 pm
Posted by StickD
Houston
Member since Apr 2010
10535 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:54 am to
ALL of them.

Can you image the melting with those three.

I mean they are NOT bad but come on. They all have failed way more than won. As in going to the World Series.
Posted by Rjlebla
Houma
Member since Jan 2014
19231 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:54 am to
It’s hard to argue that he hasn’t been successful in keeping LSU competitive for championships with the postseason opportunities and successive national seed streak that was broken this year.

Having said that, I’m disappointed it has only amounted to one National tittle appearance since our last championship in which a lot of those players were recruited from a previous regime.

To be honest, I’m not much of a fan of his brand of baseball nor the makeup of the players he recruits for his positions. It’s nothing personal against those players that have gotten an opportunity and chosen to represent LSU. It just seems we recruit a lot of thin non-power hitting shortstops and try to use their athleticism to fill in all the other positions. It’s a small ball type lineup that tries to play something in between small ball and gorilla ball and is not really proficient at either.

Traditionally, our pitching staffs have been solid but the recent injuries are concern enough to examine our fall regimen and the workload given to freshmen for a full season.

Furthermore, I’ve never understood paul’s decision making in managing pitchers nor his choices for assistant coaches and their in-game responsibilities.

Finally, yes, I would have traded for any coach in the country last night if I knew that coach was willing to give that home plate umpire hell for squeezing our pitchers instead of sitting there thinking about whatever else was going through his mind while we were getting fleeced.

JMO.
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
71528 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:55 am to
Stop it
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:57 am to
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Now in order to improve his hitting issue, you'd have demote or fire Cain.
Are you aware the SEC voted last week to sponsor a proposal to go to the NCAA that would increase from three to four the number of baseball and softball coaches employed by a school?

In the process, the so-called “volunteer coach” position will be eliminated.
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
5007 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:58 am to
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Bianco - OM


Been at Ole Miss 15+ years - only 1 CWS with plenty of resources. Maineri went to the same number of CWS in less time at ND. Maineri also dominates him regularly

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Dave Van Horne - AR

No NC with plenty of resources. Dominated by PM his whole career in regular and postseason

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Mike Fox - UNC

Missed postseason 2 of the last 4 years. Hasn't made CWS since 13

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Gary Gilmore - Coastal Carolina

Had a great run 1 time. Didn't make tourney last year. Just lost a home regional

If you think any of the above are better than PM then your opinion is shite and you don't know college baseball
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158756 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:59 am to
like I said, I think he way over corrected on the bat changes. Roster chalked full of these scrappy "jack of all trades, master of none" types. Small ball type players that don't know how to play small ball for shite, its odd.

Base running this year was also anemic. So many of our steal attempts seemed to be gunned down with ease.
This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 11:59 am
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158756 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 12:01 pm to
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Are you aware the SEC voted last week to sponsor a proposal to go to the NCAA that would increase from three to four the number of baseball and softball coaches employed by a school?



I was not, no. Nice of them to do something positive for the sport for a change. Hopefully CPM makes the most of it.
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
5007 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 12:01 pm to
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Put Cain/Gibbs


You do realize Cain's recruiting classes have been better than Andy's
Posted by StickD
Houston
Member since Apr 2010
10535 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 12:01 pm to
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Finally, yes, I would have traded for any coach in the country last night if I knew that coach was willing to give that home plate umpire hell for squeezing our pitchers instead of sitting there thinking about whatever else was going through his mind while we were getting fleeced


Cardinal rule of baseball.


You know better.


We got some calls last year when we beat OSU last year.
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