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re: I wonder if Stingley is a little ticked right now...

Posted on 4/26/20 at 10:08 pm to
Posted by honeybadger07
The Woodlands
Member since Jul 2015
3263 posts
Posted on 4/26/20 at 10:08 pm to
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So he won’t make as much in two more years? OP is confusing


Time value of money for one

2nd, assuming he’s plays the same amount of total football years, that would be two less years of lost income....and then again back to time value of money

Confused still?

Posted by root canal
West Monroe
Member since Dec 2007
1101 posts
Posted on 4/26/20 at 10:51 pm to
One year ago, Derek was at the prom. He is loving life right now. Shaquille O’Neal said in an interview 10 years ago that if he had a time machine he would go back to Baton Rouge from 1989-1992. (He was poor, but living the college life dream.).Peyton Manning came back for his Senior year because he said it was fun. Money doesn’t buy happiness. Derek has a good family. He will enjoy these next 2 years.
Posted by chadr07
Pineville, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
7878 posts
Posted on 4/26/20 at 11:39 pm to
Honestly that would suck and be very disappointing to an avid fans perspective. That is why I hate the basketball rule because you only get to enjoy 1 year of an elite player dress up in purple and gold.
Posted by chadr07
Pineville, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
7878 posts
Posted on 4/26/20 at 11:41 pm to
Sounds like you wished it was that way. Why would you as a fan want the elite LSU players gone after one year?. Hard to win Championships especially in football doing that.
Posted by Cold Drink
Member since Mar 2016
3482 posts
Posted on 4/26/20 at 11:53 pm to
There are considerable humanitarian reasons as to why we don’t allow teenagers to get peelayed by 29 year old jacked up NFL players
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64606 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 1:13 am to
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I think the difference is the risk of someone's value being seriously decreased is a lot lower in other industries than the NFL. Also, because pro sports careers are notoriously short any delay in the time that players are able to join said league also greatly affects their earning potential.



If the NFL thought drafting 18 year olds was good for their bottom line, they would. There's a reason they made this policy, and it's not to screw themselves out of player value. It's actually beneficial. And you made that point ITT. Football players have a short shelf life. They want athletes at their peak physical selves when they get them. That generally is not 18 years old. It's also very difficult to evaluate kids out of high school to determine whether or not they are ready for the NFL. Enter college football. It costs them nothing and they get 3+ years of free scouting.

There's maybe a couple prospects like Stingley, Clowney, Fournette, etc. a year that may be ready for the NFL sooner than their junior year. Those are outliers, and policies aren't made based on outliers. The NFL doesn't want young kids to ruin their eligibility in college (their free scouting) with a hoard of kids being dumb and entering the draft out of high school or their freshman years when they shouldn't.

This post was edited on 4/27/20 at 1:17 am
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16035 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 1:44 am to
maybe the XFL will become that transitional league for those that don't want to play college ball. Pretty sure they will take a player straight out of high school if that said player chooses to go that route and forgo college. Stingley could quit college football right now if he chose to. However, big time college football seems to be a pretty good preparatory league for pro football players as it stands right now.
Posted by PhillyFan1994
Member since Sep 2012
2032 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 5:21 am to
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He is loving life right now. Shaquille O’Neal said in an interview 10 years ago that if he had a time machine he would go back to Baton Rouge from 1989-1992. (He was poor, but living the college life dream.).


Shaq can say what he wants but he still left to go the NBA early. Everyone says "they miss college so much" even regular people like us. But deep down we are happy to be making money and we dont make nearly what NFL/NBA players make. But yeah a player saying they miss college is like Zion saying last year he wanted to come back to Duke but Coach K wouldnt let him. We all know he wasnt ever going back to Duke even if Coach K begged him to and he was smart not to.
Posted by rbdallas
Dallas, TX
Member since Nov 2007
10340 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 5:30 am to
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I learned in my Federal Income Tax class about something called the "Time Value of Money" and how acquiring revenue now is almost always preferable to deferring it to the future.


Don't believe everything the PhD tells you (Piled Higher and Deeper in most cases.)

Also, anyone who says ALWAYS or NEVER will likely be wrong.
BTW I have taught Business in college for 20+ years....but then he said "almost always" that tells me that your interpretation is incorrect.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39240 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 5:30 am to
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So he won’t make as much in two more years?
OP is confusing


OP is not confusing; you are just dense. Stingley is producing a very valuable product, and not getting fairly compensated for it. No matter your opinion on compensation for college athletes, this is indisputable.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39240 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 5:39 am to
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that "master" mentally that America was founded on.

Can you name a country that was not founded on a “master” mentality? I need to know if your comment is as stupid as it appears.
Posted by LCTFAN
New Iberia
Member since Mar 2013
2738 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 6:24 am to
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I do wonder if he is somewhat regretting the 3 year NFL rule right now
quote:

PhillyFan1994



Putting Teens into the NFL football league would be a mistake and this rule happens to be a good rule

Stingley has nothing to regret because he made no decision about this rule, he has no say in the matter.

Posted by PhillyFan1994
Member since Sep 2012
2032 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 6:29 am to
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Putting Teens into the NFL football league would be a mistake and this rule happens to be a good rule 

Stingley has nothing to regret because he made no decision about this rule, he has no say in the matter. 


Should freshman generally be allowed to enter the NFL Draft? No because most wouldnt get drafted anyway. Most freshman dont even get significant PT at major D1 programs. However, I think what the NBA is doing with the G-League is a great example of how exceptions can and should be made for exceptional players. The NBA now offers G-League contracts for "elite HS players" that pays them well above the G-League average salary. I think the NFL could do the equivalent for the few exceptionally talented freshman that exist in CFB. Offer those few kids the opportunity to enter the draft early if they wish. It would be the kid's decision and would only be offered if intel from league GMs confirmed that the kid would be a 1-2 round pick.
This post was edited on 4/27/20 at 6:30 am
Posted by FAP SAM
Member since Sep 2014
2877 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 7:01 am to
quote:

wonder if he is somewhat regretting the 3 year NFL rule right now

How can he regret something that he has no control over?
Posted by The Ostrich
Member since May 2009
2542 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 7:12 am to
I know how the time value of money works you don’t need to explain. Your whole argument is based on the idea that if he was drafted now he would be getting the same amount as he would in 2 years which is outrageous. He is only going to get better. Your point about him getting to his second contract sooner is misled. If he were to go to the league now when and get to his second contract when he’s 21-22 and is still improving and hasn’t reached his prime then his 2nd contract won’t have near the value that it would if he were closer to his prime at 24-25 and already made a household name of himself.
Posted by PhillyFan1994
Member since Sep 2012
2032 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 7:21 am to
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Your whole argument is based on the idea that if he was drafted now he would be getting the same amount as he would in 2 years which is outrageous. He is only going to get better. 


Will he get better? Certainly. Will his potential (or ceiling if you will) get higher? Probably not. We can already see he has the potential to be an alltime great CB. Scouts can too which is why some have said he could be the first CB drafted #1. While he wouldnt have gone #1 this year I still cant see him having slid out of the top 5. And we saw from Tua how things can change for the worse especially when you are already at the top. And I think Stingley would perform fine in the NFL right now. He was better than Henderson and Diggs and Fulton last year so why would that be different in the NFL?

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Your point about him getting to his second contract sooner is misled. If he were to go to the league now when and get to his second contract when he’s 21-22 and is still improving and hasn’t reached his prime then his 2nd contract won’t have near the value that it would if he were closer to his prime at 24-25 and already made a household name of himself.



So hear me out. He enters now at 18 and finishes his rookie contract at 21. He signs a 4-5 year deal after than which carries him to 25-26. At that point he is still young enough to sign another lucrative 4-5 year deal. As opposed to him coming in at 21-22. Finishing his rookie deal at 24-25 and then finishing his second contract as a 30 year old with seriously diminished value looking for a third deal.
This post was edited on 4/27/20 at 7:26 am
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
14414 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 7:27 am to
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Lol at the people who think it is outrageous to ask if a kid who could be a millionaire right now would prefer that instead of having to be an unpaid college student for two more years especially given the fact that he has accomplished more than 99% of CFB players ever will already.

Summit mentality. Would you rather pocket thousands of dollars and spend in luxury or sacrifice physically, mentally and spend thousands of dollars to reach the summit of Everest.

Take the money or take the sacrifice for an opportunity for a moment that you will cherish for a lifetime. From everything I've read about Stingley, he's a summit climber.
Posted by The Ostrich
Member since May 2009
2542 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 7:39 am to
He wouldn’t have gone top 5 this year. Plain and simple. He was good but he wouldn’t have gone top 5 like he will in 2 years. If you think he would be given the same money today as he would in 2 years you’re a fricking idiot.

He’s 19 years old. The possibility of him going in the NFL and having any flaws he has exposed very quickly is real. How does that benefit him in any scenario?

And no he wouldn’t be 30 years old finishing his 2nd contract because that contract wouldn’t be a 4-5 year deal it would be a 10 year deal. Worth a lot more money.
This post was edited on 4/27/20 at 7:41 am
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56470 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 7:47 am to
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He is already a national champion. Already a 1st team All-American and would have been drafted higher than Okudah if eligible this year. If he was a basketball player he would be signed to make millions right now. But he has to stay in college for two more years and again watch DBs he is better than get their money next year. Obviously we all think playing in the P&G is a good thing and I'm sure he enjoys it as well but I do wonder if he is somewhat regretting the 3 year NFL rule right now. Definitely hope he invests in a nice insurance policy the next two seasons to protect himself.


EDIT: I still cant help but find it hilarious that we live a capitalist society where everyone is allowed to look for the biggest profit possible but athletes are supposed to be like "Yeah frick money. I just want to risk breaking my neck every week for pure fun." That sounds like some crazy SJW stuff to me just saying...




As a college fan, I'm very grateful that we have a system that encourages guys like Stingley to play college football for 3 years.

As an NFL fan, I'm very grateful that players are developed enough to contribute immediately when they are drafted. It's much better than teams drafting unknown quantities and having to hold on to them for a couple of years.

Both situations are good for the game.

I couldn't imagine being such a bleeding heart that I'd prefer to give a guy a 10 year, multi-million dollar salary, career instead of an 8 year career at the expense of the actual game.

Be less emotional.
Posted by The Ostrich
Member since May 2009
2542 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 8:02 am to
The physical toll 2 years in the NFL puts on a players body is a lot more than 2 years in college especially when he’s only 18 years old.
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