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I think Chavis made a huge mistake

Posted on 1/1/15 at 8:39 am
Posted by oleheat
Sportsman's Paradise
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Posted on 1/1/15 at 8:39 am
I don't care how skilled someone is as a DC- when your players have to stay on the field as long as they do in a program like A&M, there's a good chance you will have issues. I believe the fatigue factor is unavoidable, and will become an issue for his defense, due to Sumlin's system on the other side of the ball.

Just my .02.....
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 8:42 am to
quote:

I don't care how skilled someone is as a DC- when your players have to stay on the field as long as they do in a program like A&M, there's a good chance you will have issues. I believe the fatigue factor is unavoidable, and will become an issue for his defense, due to Sumlin's system on the other side of the ball.


Well, assuming a DC can recruit some good players, being on the field a lot is a problem if you have to hold teams to 10-14 points. If Sumlin can get that offense rolling again though, then a DC could be highly "successful" giving up 21 per game.

So, it's relative.
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48262 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 8:42 am to
I agree.

But, it still makes one wonder whether he was confident that LSU was going to win anything in the next few years.

If he were confident of improvement, I think he stays.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39094 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 8:43 am to
His contract is guaranteed for three years, which is when he wants to retire. He'll be over half a million dollars richer, after taxes, when he retires. While I agree with your astute football analysis, this is not a mistake.
Posted by MrWiseGuy
Member since Dec 2009
27419 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 8:43 am to
He left strictly over his contract situation. Strictly.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126940 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 8:43 am to
quote:

Just my .02.....
Versus Chavis' $1,666,666.66/year.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 8:43 am to
quote:

But, it still makes one wonder whether he was confident that LSU was going to win anything in the next few years.

If he were confident of improvement, I think he stays.
Agreed.

He may be wrong, but he clearly voted with his feet because it doesn't appear dollars were an issue.
Posted by easy money
Member since Feb 2005
14420 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 8:44 am to
It sounds like he didn't want to be tied to Miles so maybe or maybe he just wanted Alleva to trust in him independently.
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
63192 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 8:44 am to
He probably woke up shitting himself and realizing he made a huge mistake.
Posted by LongueCarabine
Pointe Aux Pins, LA
Member since Jan 2011
8205 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 8:45 am to
Have any of you given thought to the idea that maybe Chavis was tired of working his arse off to keep the Tigers in contention and not getting any help from the offensive side of the ball?

Sure, the defense was not as stout as some years, but it was pretty darn good most of the time he was here.

So he wanted a raise and security and they didn't give it to him after 6 years of good service.

The guy is 58 years old, I doubt he really wanted to have to pick everything up and move somewhere else, but felt he had no choice.

LC
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
73436 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 8:47 am to
Only time will well. He made a good decision before when he left Tennessee for the LSU job. That concerns me a bit to be honest, but I am not going to jump off the cliff like a lot of people around here. Filling the position with a quality hire and salvaging this recruiting class would go a long way in bolstering my optimism.
Posted by BigTiger80
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2012
1178 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 8:47 am to
I respect Chief but the more I think about it, I think it's for the good.

It makes me sick that we out played Bama at home this year and in 2012 but we lost because we didn't stop them on their last drive.

Ditto with Ole Miss in 2013.

He's a good DC but there are others, although a small number, that are just as good or even better. Time to put him behind us and go out and get the best DC who is available.
This post was edited on 1/1/15 at 8:52 am
Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
17517 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 8:49 am to
quote:

If he were confident of improvement, I think he stays.



Well if we are to believe some folks, Miles really wanted him gone and finessed him into leaving using A&M as the motivator while using Alleva as the bad guy/good guy team.

And had already spoken with CP about coming,

If this is true then Miles' stock goes up in my eyes, now if he can be as skilled with the QB issues.
Posted by LSUANDY25
Frisco
Member since Dec 2012
3087 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 8:52 am to
A possible Chavis perspective:
1. Great offensive mind at A&M
2. A roster full of NFL defensive talent.
3. Lower expectations and maybe more appreciation.
4. More Money and longer contract.

People have transferred with alot less on the table.
Posted by oleheat
Sportsman's Paradise
Member since Mar 2007
13429 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 8:55 am to
You guys are right in that I admit I'm looking at this from a bit of a selfish standpoint. But I have my doubts about him enjoying the same level of success there as he did at LSU.
Anyway- Does anyone think there is a legitimate chance LSU would hire Orgeron? I know he's never been a DC, but the man is an excellent recruiter and considered by many to be one of the better defensive minds in the college game.....
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101266 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 8:55 am to
quote:

I agree.

But, it still makes one wonder whether he was confident that LSU was going to win anything in the next few years.

If he were confident of improvement, I think he stays.


As old as he is, why would he really give a shite about this aspect, as long as he's doing his job as DC with no further aspirations beyond that (which seems to be the consensus that he has none).
Posted by Dalosaqy
I can't quite re
Member since Dec 2007
12300 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 8:55 am to
quote:

assuming a DC can recruit some good players
Chavis doesn't recruit.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16035 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 8:58 am to
who gives a shite. Good riddance. This program needs a shakeup. Now time to shake up the offense side of the ball. Cam Cameroon, your on the clock.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68377 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 8:58 am to
quote:

Tigers in contention and not getting any help from the offensive side of the ball? 


He doesn't go across country like Haley, Raymond, wilson do. He hasn't changed his defensive scheme in 20 years. So I don't see how his job was that fricking hard.
Posted by mnevils
Member since Aug 2011
159 posts
Posted on 1/1/15 at 9:00 am to
Orgeron is one of those guys from Louisiana that has always had something against LSU. He will never coach there.
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