re: I Just Don’t Understand How They Missed The First Targeting On Burrow

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The hit checks out as forcible contact to the neck area with the shoulder and incidental contact with the helmet to boot.

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No, it doesn't. You can argue the incidental helmet to chin contact, but the initial hit is to Burrow's right arm pit.



I've watched the video a hundred times, and I'm 100% confident we'd be going crazy if that was called targeting against us.

Is it a cheap shot? Sure, so I understand the frustration, but I do not believe it was targeting, but it's close.

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Having said that, the guy was CLEARLY trying to blow Burrow up. It’s a terrible rule when a guy just making a tackle gets thrown out while a guy who doesn’t need to destroy a defenseless player does and can get away with a blind side hit like that.

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Exactly. The fact that hit ISN'T targeting, but Delpit's was, means the rule has major flaws.

None of this changes the fact we were completely fricked on White's call too.

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We've been over this. The rule is "forcible contact to the head or neck area". And enforced if the contact is by "leading with the crown of the helmet or with the shoulder". The hit checks out as forcible contact to the neck area with the shoulder and incidental contact with the helmet to boot. And the rule is to be 100% enforced against a "defenseless player" which, by very definition of the rule, specifically states "a quarterback after a change of possession" as one of the examples. Check that box too. And then not one but two players taunted him while he was folded up near the sideline. That's another 30 yards of penalty on top of the 15 yard personal foul with targeting and automatic ejection.

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Yeah, but then LSU is gonna pull away and our advertisers are going to lose viewers.... let’s just not call any of it. Yeah... but he stood over the player afterwards....

Okay, call that one...

The rule is flawed....as much or worse damage can be done with that type of hit.

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Because it wasn't targeting? Orgeron looked stupid when he was yelling at the official about targeting.

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The rule is "forcible contact to the head or neck area". And enforced if the contact is by "leading with the crown of the helmet or with the shoulder". The hit checks out as forcible contact to the neck area with the shoulder and incidental contact with the helmet to boot. And the rule is to be 100% enforced against a "defenseless player" which, by very definition of the rule, specifically states "a quarterback after a change of possession" as one of the examples. Check that box too.

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JohnnyU, do you have a substantial response to this?

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Yet you miss the fact that the defensive player launched himself into a defenseless player which is also in the criteria for targeting.

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Launching still requires forcible contact to the head and neck.

Look, the rule is far too vague and far too harsh. Hits like this are allowed but Delpit is ejected. They need to fix it, but even though I believe it was a viscous hit, I don't believe it was targeting under the dumb rule.

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Refs can’t make judgement calls.

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That’s the whole reason they use replay on all targeting calls. But that doesn’t matter because they aren’t going to show up their buddies unless they absolutely have to.

And I don’t say that lightly. My best friend who I have known for 38 years is a high school ref (usually an umpire). He and his crew travel around, eat together, stay together and pretty much do everything together on game days through the season. They are a team in every sense of the word. Does anyone expect the replay crew to throw their mates under the bus on judgement calls with any leeway? They won’t. That goes against human nature.

I said this after the A&M game. The only way to change this, whether nationally or per conference, is to have independent leadership of officials within each conference that don’t have personal ties to the on-field and review crews. On top of that, you need a strict separation of replay and on-field crews and how they operate. They don’t stay together. They don’t eat together. They don’t work together. They rotate games independently of each other. This, or centralize it all, but again, with an independent group without personal ties.

Run this like a business, because at the end of the day, that’s what it is now. Remove conflict of interest and the good ole boys clicks that dominate officiating today. Then you might see more common sense applied after the fact on replays.

As for the Fiesta Bowl, I guarantee you if Delpit’s hit comes at the same early point in the game that Burrow’s did, they let it slide. If the hit on Burrow had come after Alexander took a swing, it gets called targeting on the field. The refs lost control of the game early on and started calling it tighter to try and get it back by the early second quarter. They were pure dogshit in the first half.

The defenseless player cannot be used in this situation because he had a chance
of making the tackle. The defenseless player is used primarily for f player that gets a hit like that but is out of the play or a receiver on an incomplete pass

In your mind maybe but if his face is cut that is forceful enough in his neck & Head area. White’s against Alabama clearly was not, everyone agrees across SEC

Targeting a defenseless player


Not Targeting a defenseless player