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re: I didn't realize Cliff Godwin had the pedigree that he does
Posted on 6/9/21 at 11:12 am to warlock1974
Posted on 6/9/21 at 11:12 am to warlock1974
people can keep repeating that insanely stupid opinion about Saban but its wrong for multiple reasons
1. The program wasn't in the same position it is now, there wouldn't have been many turning their nose up at anyone.
2. Nick was already seen as an up and comer and most were pretty excited about him. The initial salary was a bit of a sticker shock to people but that was when only a small handful of coaches were making that kind of money.
1. The program wasn't in the same position it is now, there wouldn't have been many turning their nose up at anyone.
2. Nick was already seen as an up and comer and most were pretty excited about him. The initial salary was a bit of a sticker shock to people but that was when only a small handful of coaches were making that kind of money.
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Posted on 6/9/21 at 11:16 am to landmanner
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Looks like the guy that works the net on Ed's shrimp boat.
He's from a tiny rural town in North Carolina. People probably a lot like coonasses just higher above sea level and a different accent
Posted on 6/9/21 at 11:19 am to BilJ
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people can keep repeating that insanely stupid opinion about Saban but its wrong for multiple reasons
1. The program wasn't in the same position it is now, there wouldn't have been many turning their nose up at anyone.
2. Nick was already seen as an up and comer and most were pretty excited about him. The initial salary was a bit of a sticker shock to people but that was when only a small handful of coaches were making that kind of money.
All of this is true.
He was rumored for NFL head coaches jobs the entire time he was at Michigan State. When LSU hires him, Michigan State was sitting at 10-2 and had beating number ranked Ohio State that season.
Great point about the only shock was the price tag that LSU manned up for.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 11:20 am to CatfishJohn
Godwin has never been to Omaha in his 7 seasons as head coach. No thanks.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 11:20 am to BilJ
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The gap isn't that wide anymore man. Do we have advantages over OM? Yes but many of them have been mitigated by the NCAAs continued fricking with the sport. Its not like football where the blue bloods can just far out resource the little guys and stockpile talent.
Yes Bianco built OM into a decent program from the ground up basically. OM has also given him a good amount of resources to build it and they've pulled in highly ranked recruiting classes....He still only has 1 appearance in Omaha, that's on him.
Exactly.
10-15 years ago you could say there was a big gap. Not so much anymore. Ole Miss has had some really good players and really good teams. LSU is not getting overwhelmingly better talent that OM AND the fan interest in that program is substantial. Hell, I'd argue attending a game there looks to be much more fun than attending the sterile atmosphere of the Box.
Yet, Bianco, while very good, has been LESS successful than the guy LSU fans desperate to push out the door.
Bianco would be close to the equivalent of the Johnny Jones hire for basketball (though, Bianco has been FAR more successful than Jones was when he was hired). The similarity being that if Bianco wasn't an alum and former player/assistant coach under the best HC in program history he wouldn't even be considered as a candidate for the LSU job. A job that is one of the most, if not the most, highly desirable jobs in all of college baseball.
When you are a program with great school commitment to the sport and one that is willing to make their HC among, if not the highest paid HC in the entire sport, EVERYONE is at least willing to listen if LSU wants to talk. Bianco would be a lazy Joe Alleva hire. Overpay for a guy who objectively isn't any better than the guy he is replacing just so you don't have to bust arse and get creative to get a top caliber HC.
Woodward's only HC hire has been much different than the typical JA hire. While we can (and I will) argue the financial sense it makes to pay a WBB HC $2.5 million a year, there is ZERO question Kim Mulkey is among the very best in her profession. If the AD is willing to spend THAT much money on a sport that will ALWAYS operate significantly in the red then one has to imagine he's willing to spend big money in a sport that is arguably the second most popular on campus and one that has proven it can turn a profit. With that mindset you don't just "settle" for someone who has been good, but not great over the course of two decades. And if you are, then just higher the younger, higher-ceiling guy for less money.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 11:25 am to CatfishJohn
quote:Cliff, I concur with everything you just posted.
Also a very respected hitting coach during his time at LSU.
Recruiting? Check.
Hitting coach? Check.
Winning pedigree and SEC experience? Check.
Young and hungry? Check.
Familiarity with LSU and our expectations? Check.*
Posted on 6/9/21 at 11:25 am to Chad504boy
Dude looks like he's straight out of Ascension Parish.
This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 11:26 am
Posted on 6/9/21 at 11:27 am to CatfishJohn
Wpuld be a great hire. Creating a player development system is paramount. Godwin has that in spades.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 11:32 am to spiderman
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Godwin has never been to Omaha in his 7 seasons as head coach. No thanks.
Godwin doesn't have nearly the recruiting power at ECU as does LSU. Its all about development.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 11:35 am to Tiger Ryno
Saban was thought to be pretty good but certainly not great. We knew very little about him, I remember some folks asked " who is this Yankee " ? He was certainly no slam dunk when we hired him.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 11:36 am to Choupique19
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All of this is true.
He was rumored for NFL head coaches jobs the entire time he was at Michigan State. When LSU hires him, Michigan State was sitting at 10-2 and had beating number ranked Ohio State that season.
Great point about the only shock was the price tag that LSU manned up for.
That's revisionist history.
There wasn't a ton of excitement when Saban was hired. At the time he was known to LSU fans for (maybe) two reasons: (1) His mediocre team pulled off a huge upset No. 1 Ohio St. in 98 and (2) he was the HC of the team LSU stomped in the Independence Bowl. Until his final season (1999) his tenure at MSU was largely forgettable. From 95-98 he was barely over .500. On top of that many though the salary was insane.
His hire was met with probably slightly more enthusiasm than the Dinardo hire but probably not as much as the Hallman hire. It is easy to forgot 20 years later, but Saban wasn't "Saban" when LSU hired him. Hell, there were some who continued to confuse him for Lou Saban.
This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 11:37 am
Posted on 6/9/21 at 11:37 am to tiger81
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I remember some folks asked " who is this Yankee " ?
I do too, which is hilarious. Clearly people haven't been to West Virginia
Posted on 6/9/21 at 11:38 am to Alt26
Bingo....
Posted on 6/9/21 at 11:42 am to spiderman
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Godwin has never been to Omaha in his 7 seasons as head coach. No thanks.
As opposed to Bianco, who runs a major program with top talent and fan support and has been to Omaha once in 20 years.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 11:50 am to Alt26
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Exactly.
10-15 years ago you could say there was a big gap. Not so much anymore. Ole Miss has had some really good players and really good teams. LSU is not getting overwhelmingly better talent that OM AND the fan interest in that program is substantial. Hell, I'd argue attending a game there looks to be much more fun than attending the sterile atmosphere of the Box.
Yet, Bianco, while very good, has been LESS successful than the guy LSU fans desperate to push out the door.
Agreed. Bianco is a good coach, but let's not act like he built little sisters of the poor to a potential powerhouse. The fact of the matter is he's had the 8th or 9th best results of SEC programs during his tenure at Ole Miss. In fact only Missouri, Alabama, and Kentucky have gone to less College World Series than Ole Miss during Bianco's tenure. Much of Ole Miss's increased success has coincided with the conference wide focus and money put into baseball.
He's a good floor to have in the coaching search, but we wouldn't even be looking at him if he were an Arkansas alumni.
This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 6/9/21 at 11:51 am to CatfishJohn
Godwin has been my #2 behind Vitello all along. People say he's not the type of hire Woodward would go for but it's actually kinda similar to when he hired Buzz to coach aggie basketball
Posted on 6/9/21 at 11:53 am to Alt26
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If the AD is willing to spend THAT much money on a sport that will ALWAYS operate significantly in the red then one has to imagine he's willing to spend big money in a sport that is arguably the second most popular on campus and one that has proven it can turn a profit. With that mindset you don't just "settle" for someone who has been good, but not great over the course of two decades.
Well written post.
I submit that within 2 years you will have 4 profitable sports at LSU - football, baseball, basketball and womens basketball.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 11:57 am to Meauxjeaux
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I submit that within 2 years you will have 4 profitable sports at LSU - football, baseball, basketball and womens basketball.
Idk even with great success it’s really hard to turn a profit with women basketball.
Great teams usually post a loss because you don’t get top notch coaches and facilities to make great teams without spending money, and you’re never going to bring that much back in.
Connecticut posted a loss during its 90 game win streak. Baylor posted a loss the season it went 40-0
Posted on 6/9/21 at 12:02 pm to SammyTiger
I'm not sure Baylor and Connecticut fanbases get rabid like they do for a winner down here.
It's an anomaly for sure. But I believe it will happen.
Also, FTR, I'm not counting CKM's contract versus womens basketball since the bulk of it does not come from WBB operations... so it's technically a fluke. :)
It's an anomaly for sure. But I believe it will happen.
Also, FTR, I'm not counting CKM's contract versus womens basketball since the bulk of it does not come from WBB operations... so it's technically a fluke. :)
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