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re: How will the college playoff go over?
Posted on 8/20/24 at 12:25 pm to Jax-Tiger
Posted on 8/20/24 at 12:25 pm to Jax-Tiger
the playoffs will be great. It's how every other sport determines their champion. We can argue about how many teams should get into the playoff, and how to select them, but the expanded playoff concept is fantastic.
And it doesn't diminish the regular season at all. There will still be a ton of games in November (and actually even more) that are critical for the playoffs for many teams.
And it doesn't diminish the regular season at all. There will still be a ton of games in November (and actually even more) that are critical for the playoffs for many teams.
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Posted on 8/20/24 at 12:25 pm to GetmorewithLes
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what purist would want to go back to the BCS or the old poll selection?
A lot of folks have posted that they don't want a playoff. They say it "devalues" the regular season.
I say it increases the value of the regular season games for most teams - especially late in the season.
While it's true that the LSU vs Alabama game in November will no longer be an elimination game, that is more than offset by all the other games that have playoff implications.
Posted on 8/20/24 at 12:34 pm to JimTiger72
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I’d predict that nobody outside of the top 8 will ever win a championship, but I guess it’s more fun with 12 or 16 teams.
It’ll be interesting to see how it plays out. Over the 10 years of the 4-team CFP we have seen:
#1 seed: 4 championships
#2 seed: 3 championships
#3 seed: 1 championship
#4 seed: 2 championships
If every game were 50/50 win probability, you would expect seeds 1-4 to win ~50% of championships under the new system while seeds 5-12 win the other 50%. I suspect it’ll be more like 65/35ish once you account for the actual team strengths.
So if 5-8 win, say, 35% of the titles.. how many of those come from the 8-12 seeds? The 8-12 seeds have an additional disadvantage in that they’ll be playing on the road in the quarterfinals. On top of that, the 12 seed is likely to be completely outmatched against top P5 competition (since they might actually be ranked #15-25 as a G5 champion).
My not-so-educated guess is that we might see an 8-12 seed win a title something like 10% of the time. So maybe once over a 10-year window.
Posted on 8/20/24 at 12:50 pm to Tigers4Lyfe
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There will still be debate on who should get in at 12 between 2 or 3 teams.
Sure, but each of those teams will have 2-3 losses. Taking a 3 loss Penn State over a 3 loss Ole Miss is a lot different than excluding an undefeated Florida St.
Posted on 8/20/24 at 12:53 pm to Jax-Tiger
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This is going to be a month of football insanity...
Imagine if they actually fixed college football scheduling and had a season of insanity rather than just a month.
The playoff was broken and expanding it only expands the issue.
Hey...we have this thing that's broke, how do we fix it?
Ooh, I know, I know...let's make it bigger.
This post was edited on 8/20/24 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 8/20/24 at 12:59 pm to atltiger6487
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And it doesn't diminish the regular season at all.
While flawed (I would like to see campus home games in the quarters) I love the idea of a 12 team playoff.
But when a 3 loss team can go to a neutral site and play an undefeated team from their same conference that beat them a month ago on their home field, the regular season is indeed greatly diminished.
Posted on 8/20/24 at 1:05 pm to Jax-Tiger
Instead of the (generally) meaningless bowl games on New Years Day, there will now be 3 quarterfinal games in the Peach 1PM, Rose-5PM and Sugar Bowls 8:45PM.
Out with the old, in with the new, and I am here for it.
Out with the old, in with the new, and I am here for it.
Posted on 8/20/24 at 1:05 pm to Basura Blanco
I cannot wait until a 10-2 SEC team gets left out altogether as a 10-3 Big12 champion gets a bye and a 12-1 Tulane gets in.
Posted on 8/20/24 at 1:08 pm to LSUfan4444
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Imagine if they actually fixed college football scheduling and had a season of insanity rather than just a month.
And how do you propose they fix it? Having a league of 70 teams and only giving 4 of them an actual chance to win a championship is incredibly dumb imo.
Posted on 8/20/24 at 1:09 pm to Basura Blanco
quote:that doesn't bother me at all.
But when a 3 loss team can go to a neutral site and play an undefeated team from their same conference that beat them a month ago on their home field, the regular season is indeed greatly diminished.
If the 3-loss team is deserving of a playoff spot, then seed them appropriately and let the teams play it all out. If there's a rematch at some point, so be it.
You shouldn't be against the expanded playoff merely because there might be a rematch.
And I suspect you'd be just fine if LSU was the 3-loss team and got a rematch with Alabama in the quarters or semis.
Posted on 8/20/24 at 1:10 pm to GeorgeWest
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I cannot wait until a 10-2 SEC team gets left out altogether as a 10-3 Big12 champion gets a bye and a 12-1 Tulane gets in.
This will not happen.
Posted on 8/20/24 at 1:10 pm to Jax-Tiger
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I'm gonna say it now, but this is gonna be the best thing that happened to college football in a long time.
The lead up to the playoffs is going to be insane, determining who's in, who's out, and who gets seeded where.
Then the actual playoffs is going to be off the charts.
This is what the first year of the 4 team playoff felt like before those games became incredibly non competitive. It also changed how the sport was talked about as well. Became 100% focused on who's "in" and everything else didn't matter. It was actually worse than the BCS in terms of variety of teams competing as well.
Not saying it will be exactly the same this time but most of what you wrote already did happen once before sputtering out and becoming quickly stale with 4 teams. And those were the best 4 teams. There's a steep drop off in CFB after the upper crust each year. Not sure adding 8 more will make it more competetive.
ETA: People act like CFB before a playoff was broken. Looking back, the BCS era is probably the apex of the sport.
This post was edited on 8/20/24 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 8/20/24 at 1:25 pm to jlovel7
quote:no, the BCS era wasn't the apex -- it was just that people were just happy to actually have two teams play for the NC instead of keeping the bowl tie-ins and silly voter polls.
ETA: People act like CFB before a playoff was broken. Looking back, the BCS era is probably the apex of the sport.
But the BCS system was flawed, especially when it only stopped at 2 teams.
That's why 4 teams was far better than the BCS. But 4 still is too few.
Now, we can argue what's the right number of teams in the playoff (personally, I like 8, and 16 is definitely too many, so I can live with 12), but there's no question a 12-team playoff is FAR superior to a 2 or 4 team playoff.
Posted on 8/20/24 at 1:26 pm to fastlane
Posted on 8/20/24 at 1:27 pm to jlovel7
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There's a steep drop off in CFB after the upper crust each year. Not sure adding 8 more will make it more competetive.
I’m not sure this is true. Sure there will be some non competitive games, but there will also be some very competitive games. Last year for example, think about how close all of the games between Penn State/Ohio State/Michigan were. And the one of those three that made the playoff won the whole thing. Why wouldn’t the other two be competitive?
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People act like CFB before a playoff was broken. Looking back, the BCS era is probably the apex of the sport.
I don’t see how you can say this when multiple 3 and 4 seeds have won a championship when they wouldn’t have even had that opportunity in the BCS system.
This post was edited on 8/20/24 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 8/20/24 at 1:44 pm to atltiger6487
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You shouldn't be against the expanded playoff merely because there might be a rematch.
I am not against it. But to say it doesn't diminish the regular season is not accurate.
Posted on 8/20/24 at 1:45 pm to Jax-Tiger
quote:I’ve come around to it and can look forward to always being in the hunt now but the BCS era when every game mattered is what was special about college football at the time. Every big game had a playoff intensity to it. We’ll regularly see 9-3 teams making it to the playoffs now
Sorry, any so-called "football purist" who was against this is wrong. This is going to be a month of football insanity...
On the bright side as fans the losses wont weigh on us nearly as much early in the year.
Posted on 8/20/24 at 1:48 pm to Jax-Tiger
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Sorry, any so-called "football purist" who was against this is wrong. This is going to be a month of football insanity...
Funny how these purists claim the CFP is ruining the sport. These same types never seem to care about all of these ridiculous neutral site games to start the season every year.
LSU USC should be on campus same goes for Georgia Clemson.
Posted on 8/20/24 at 1:50 pm to TigerKnights
Will be fun but the end result is going to be the exact same -- there are really only 2-3 teams that separate each year that can legitimately win the natty.
If we were set on a playoff, which ultimately is a fun exciting thing, I think 8 teams would have been better. Teams 5-8 never going to win the natty but could make some noise and provide excitement.
If we were set on a playoff, which ultimately is a fun exciting thing, I think 8 teams would have been better. Teams 5-8 never going to win the natty but could make some noise and provide excitement.
This post was edited on 8/20/24 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 8/20/24 at 1:53 pm to Basura Blanco
quote:I understand but almost guarantee it'll still be hotly debated. Oh Team X that didn't get in was hot, getting into their groove and could have went on a run.
Sure, but each of those teams will have 2-3 losses. Taking a 3 loss Penn State over a 3 loss Ole Miss is a lot different than excluding an undefeated Florida St.
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