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re: How long before one of the teams from the Power Four op out of championship game?

Posted on 12/3/25 at 8:25 am to
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
14682 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 8:25 am to
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They should just make the SEC championship the national championship. And all the other conferences can play for the secondary champion.


Considering the Big Ten has won the last two I am not sure we get to make our conference winner the pseudo champion. More than once our conference champion lost out to a conference opponent in the national championship, so maybe just keep things the way they are and win when it counts.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
35678 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 8:31 am to
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Conference championship games are part of the process. No reason to remove them. If any team finds themselves not caring about a conference title game because they think it doesn't matter, then they can play a bunch of walk-on's and get embarrassed. Otherwise, man up and play the game to win. I'm tired of people trying to ruin everything that was good about this sport, by replacing everything with never ending expansion, realignment, pseudo free agency, and trying to duck out of playing games, for one reason or another.


They are an unnecessary "part of the process". They were created SOLEY as a money grab. Nothing more. Conferences operated for decades just fine without them. With the CFP, all those games do is create an imbalanced system. On the one hand, it gives a team that probably shouldn't make the CFP (see Duke this year, Clemson last year) a chance to knock out a more deserving team for no other reason than they play in a weak conference. On the flip side, it requires a team already in the CFP to pay another unnecessary game that (a) risks injury (see Georgia last year) or (b) could knock them out of a position they would not have been in had they not been forced to play another game. For example, 2017 Auburn. They beat both Alabama and Georgia in the regular season. When the regular season ended they were ranked No. 2 in the CFP poll. However, because they were forced to play another game, which they lost, a team they beat (Alabama) got to sit home and get into the CFP for NO other reason except they weren't forced to play in the SECCG.

Everyone is bitching about the college football calendar right now. Well, one solution could be to end the conf. championship games and start the CFP a week (or two) earlier so the season ends around Jan. 1. At that point the portal and NSD (if the early NSD is eliminated) could occur AFTER the CFP
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George, LA
Member since Aug 2004
80695 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 8:33 am to
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What does Georgia or Alabama have to gain by playing the SECCG?


Nothing. But the conference and thus the teams makes a frick ton on money from it. So the SEC is going to want to be able to make up that money before they are willing to give it up

Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George, LA
Member since Aug 2004
80695 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 8:34 am to
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What does Georgia or Alabama have to gain by playing the SECCG?


Nothing. But the conference and thus the teams makes a frick ton on money from it. So the SEC is going to want to be able to make up that money before they are willing to give it up

Posted by Shaq4prez
The Deaf Dome
Member since Oct 2021
5041 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 8:37 am to
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What does Georgia or Alabama have to gain by playing the SECCG? Other than a trophy? Alabama could get knock out of playoffs with another loss. Not likely because it’s Alabama but possible. Meanwhile, Oklahoma, Texas &M, Ole Miss are actually ranked higher than Alabama and get to sit home and rest


There is an immense amount of prestige that comes along with being an FCC champion. I can guarantee you that Oklahoma and Ole Miss players would love to play in the SEC championship game. I know their fans would love it as well.... Might as well include the administration while you're at it. Only one team win the national championship. Why not play in the most notable games as often as you can and compete at the highest level? That's what competitors do.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110972 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 8:40 am to
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You are definitely in the minority when it comes to this line of thinking


Says who?
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
35678 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 8:44 am to
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Why not play in the most notable games as often as you can and compete at the highest level?


Because it is an unnecessary "made-for-TV" event that can prevent a team from reaching the ultimate prize for no logical reason other than it makes the conference money.

Georgia lost their starting QB in the SEC championship game last year.
In 2017 Auburn got knocked out of the CFP in favor of a team they beat a week before (Alabama) SOLELY because Auburn had to play in the SECCG and Alabama didn't.
Posted by John Casey
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2016
4150 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 8:49 am to
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They need to get rid of conference championship games


2 easy fixes to the calendar:

1) Just make week zero, week 1 for everyone and start the season then

2) Eliminate Conference Championship games

That would give us 2 extra weeks to work with to get the playoffs done and figure out the transfer portal and all.
Posted by Dizz
Member since May 2008
16149 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 9:09 am to
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If Alabama get kicked from the playoff this year, I’d expect it to happen next year.


This will not happen because the conference championships are money makers for the leagues. The conferences will do whatever they can to protect this revenue generator and dont forget they control the playoff.
Posted by fwtex
Member since Nov 2019
3407 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 9:36 am to
The issue should be on the conferences to amend their tie breaker system. I have no dog in this hunt, but AM should be the 2nd highest Sec playing in the championship game. Same issue in the ACC with Duke getting the 2nd ranking.

Fix the conference tie breaker rule and the the CFP should only be obligated to the top 3 conference teams. If you cannot be in the top 3 in your conference you should have no opportunity to win a national championship. The conference whining is trying to change the purpose of the CFP to give teams that deserve a chance to compete for a championship that opportunity. It should not be to give mulligans to the top conference teams that cannot finish in the top of their own conference.

Wins matter and so do losses.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12850 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 9:54 am to
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I suppose they could do that. I don't see any incentive for a school to play any of their starters in that scenario though. I think you'd be watching a glorified scrimmage between backups.

That’s definitely the knock on that solution. Teams in the 10-12 range have plenty of incentive because they don’t want to get bumped by a lower-ranked conference champion. But teams that are comfortably in the top 8 or so wouldn’t have much to gain. That’s why I said it worked a little better when the first-round byes were still reserved for conference champions.

I do think SEC titles still mean something to players, coaches, and fan bases though.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12850 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 10:11 am to
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The issue should be on the conferences to amend their tie breaker system.

How do you propose the conferences “fix” the tiebreakers?

I don’t think OOC games or national rankings should have anything to do with conference tiebreakers. I think it’s a good thing that the SEC tiebreakers are only based on SEC games. The conference standings may not be perfect, but that’s because we have a scheduling problem with 16 teams and no divisions.

You say A&M should be in the SECCG.. why? Results based on conference standings of opponents:

A&M
T-5 (L)
T-8 (W)
#10 (W)
T-11 (W)
T-13 (W)
T-13 (W)
T-13 (W)
#16 (W)

Alabama
T-1 (W)
T-5 (W)
T-5 (L)
T-8 (W)
T-8 (W)
#10 (W)
T-13 (W)
T-13 (W)

Georgia
T-1 (W)
T-1 (L)
T-5 (W)
T-8 (W)
T-11 (W)
T-11 (W)
T-13 (W)
T-13 (W)

Alabama and UGA both have better conference wins than A&M and their conference losses are equal or better.
Posted by Slim
Poplarville, Mississippi
Member since Sep 2006
3092 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 10:28 am to
Since no conference division, no need for a championship game.
Posted by mjax57
Vinings, GA
Member since Mar 2012
5100 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 10:31 am to
If Bama gets kicked out or Texas doesn't make the playoff will have major repercussions moving forward.

I would expect to see no championship game and big out of conference matchups being bought out and replaced with FCS schools.
Posted by theliontamer
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2015
2023 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 10:36 am to
michigan* cheated hard in 2024, ohio state shouldn't have been in a playoff due to their regular season performance and UGA hurt their QB in the sec champ game.
Posted by junior
baton rouge
Member since Mar 2005
2657 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 10:43 am to
With the exception of the SEC and Big 10 conf champs- if you're not in the top 15 you should be in the playoff. James Madison, Tulane, Duke, or N Texas should not be in the mix.
Posted by tha mastablasta
Somewhere over the rainbow
Member since Jan 2012
651 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 11:45 am to
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Says who?


Read the room bro…
Posted by TopWaterTiger
Lake Charles, LA
Member since May 2006
12390 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 12:33 pm to
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If Alabama get kicked from the playoff this year, I’d expect it to happen next year. They need to get rid of conference championship games, expand to 16 teams, and be done with it.


Yep. I could see Bama losing and then having the same record at Texas, who might jump them.

Its a double-edged sword. Some teams need it for positioning, while it ultimately hurts the loser of the game.
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6916 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 5:20 pm to
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But they are pointless, and they create an unfair and unbalanced system. The sport is evolving and with that evolution, changes need to be made to improve the process. Also, what you described is exactly what's killing the sport. You are advocating for a game in which teams might be inclined to play a bunch of walk-ons instead of a playoff game in which every team would be desperaely trying to win.


I never advocated for the stupid 12 team playoff. These conference championship games held a lot more importance when we weren't watering down the field with this stupid format. So no. My position isn't what's ruining the sport. It's the people who are constantly trying to fix what wasn't broken who are ruining the sport.

All of this complaining about an "unbalanced system". The system is unbalanced no matter what you do, because there are so many different conferences, unlike in professional sports, and the level of competition is each conference is nowhere near comparable to one another.

So people try to "fix" it by adding more teams to the playoff. Then more, and more, and more. When will it be enough? Take a look at the basketball tournament. It's never enough. And that's the problems with all of these "fix it" people. Sometimes you just have to leave well enough alone, and stop complaining.
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6916 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 5:22 pm to
Well if the only evidence you have is upvotes and downvotes, it seems like you need to read the room, if you think I'm in the minority.
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