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re: How can anyone defend the conversations from the tapes?
Posted on 3/15/19 at 7:58 am to ThePistol
Posted on 3/15/19 at 7:58 am to ThePistol
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There are other tapes out there that implicate bigger programs if the same level of proof was applied
I agree that Sean Miller was caught on tape... difference- he came out with a strong denial of any wrongdoing. WW has yet to deny any wrongdoing. In fact-- LSU's last public statement is that is what they want/need.
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Posted on 3/15/19 at 8:07 am to beauxroux
Miller met with Arizona officials. I don’t recall the NCAA being called into their meeting. Do you?
There is also a federal subpoena (as a witness, not as a target of an investigation) that Wade has to consider. FYI, Miller has also be subpoenaed.
There is also a federal subpoena (as a witness, not as a target of an investigation) that Wade has to consider. FYI, Miller has also be subpoenaed.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 8:08 am to beauxroux
quote:Correct!
And he is smart to do so, bc he has no idea want else may be on tape.
Which is yet another reason LSU acted like a group of bumbling imbeciles in insisting on Wade appearing before the BOS and NCAA officials before Wade himself had all the information at his disposal.
This is a situation where before speaking, you get it right. You don't simply trust your recollection as Wade did in October. This time, it has to be right. Wade and his attorney will need to carefully listen to the tapes, read the transcripts and ensure there are no other surprises. To paraphrase an old saying: Listen/Read twice. Speak once.
One other thing. Recent scuttlebutt has it that the NCAA cleared Smart. IDK if that is true or not. IF accurate though, and if the NCAA did clear Smart, such clearance obviously occurred with full knowledge of the recently leaked Wade-Dawkins taped conversations. That is a detail which should give anyone pause before pronouncing Wade guilty.
So a word of caution for anyone assuming guilt (or innocence) here.
WE DO NOT HAVE ALL THE FACTS!
Posted on 3/15/19 at 8:13 am to LouBega
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I’ve seen people say the offer was referencing a scholarship?
Posted on 3/15/19 at 8:14 am to beauxroux
What about the Javonte Smart situation? He and his family have issues strong denials to LSU officials and NCAA officials (because our idiotic admin invited them in). Yet, he still isn’t cleared. If they were looking for a denial, they got it.
Does our admin really think if there is proof of wrongdoing that holding him out after 30 games matters? Getting back to the Arizona situation, Ayton was never held out of a game and I don’t think his family was ever interviewed by university officials. This is a clown show of crises management.
Does our admin really think if there is proof of wrongdoing that holding him out after 30 games matters? Getting back to the Arizona situation, Ayton was never held out of a game and I don’t think his family was ever interviewed by university officials. This is a clown show of crises management.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 8:17 am to mdomingue
Is that picture of the ostrich with its head in the sand representative of our administration? Because if so, you nailed it. They knew Wade was on the tapes in October. The only way they couldn’t see this coming was if they put their head in the sand. LSU and Will Wade should be on the same side in this. Unfortunately, that couldn’t be farther from reality.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 8:18 am to atltiger6487
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And they’re all hypocrites. If Wade coached for Bama, Florida, etc, this board would be DESTROYING him as a cheater and SCREAMING for him to be fired and for the school to get put on massive probation.
This!!! Y’all need to get a grip.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 8:19 am to LouBega
So you have heard the whole tape?
Posted on 3/15/19 at 8:28 am to NC_Tigah
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One other thing. Recent scuttlebutt has it that the NCAA cleared Smart. IDK if that is true or not. IF accurate though, and if the NCAA did clear Smart, such clearance obviously occurred with full knowledge of the recently leaked Wade-Dawkins taped conversations. That is a detail which should give anyone pause before pronouncing Wade guilty.
By no means am I pronouncing him guilty. Looks bad and needs explanation? Sure.
If Smart was cleared-- he did one thing WW can't/won't do right now-- talk to NCAA.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 8:33 am to ThePistol
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Miller met with Arizona officials. I don’t recall the NCAA being called into their meeting. Do you?
No I don't know. Perhaps he met with NCAA and it was kept quiet. In any event, I don't know the specifics of Miller's contract and whether he met with NCAA or not. I do know that WW's contract requires him to fully cooperate with LSU and NCAA on any possible investigation or suspected violation.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 8:35 am to ThePistol
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Is that picture of the ostrich with its head in the sand representative of our administration?
I am uncertain if the administration took Wade at his word that nothing would come out of the wiretap that they did not know about. I don't know if they really felt this wiretap of him discussing a payoff was likely despite his statement (assuming he actually said so) that there nothing more.
What I do know is there are a ton of people on here that act like the tape isn't clearly discussing paying someone to insure they attend a particular school. Those are the people I'm talking about in responding to the post I did.
You can make the argument, legitimately, that this is not anything new and certainly not an uncommon (if not standard) practice amongst most, if not all, D1 schools. But to pretend that Wade didn't get caught on tape admitting to an NCAA violation is laughable.
Would it hold up in a criminal trial? Hard to say and probably something a good defense attorney could drum up reasonable doubt for. Unfortunately, that is not the bar set for the NCAA. It's a preponderance level at best that they require and really can dip below that level if they wish to. They typically don't because they have been unable to defend sanction in court on multiple occasions. But I also do not have faith that this administration would take them to court even if they should.
TLDR: I guess it could be but it certainly seems to represent portions of our fanbase.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 8:38 am to Madking
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by a notoriously dishonest writer
Man you sound like a whiny bitch
Posted on 3/15/19 at 8:42 am to ThePistol
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They knew Wade was on the tapes in October. The only way they couldn’t see this coming was if they put their head in the sand.
You mean the only way they couldn't see this coming was because Wade lied to them over the first instance.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 8:44 am to Cadello
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Yahoo Sports was first to report on Wade discussing an “offer” on federal wiretaps.
On part of the call, Wade is frustrated that the “offer” had yet to be accepted by a third party affiliated with the recruitment.
Wade believed the third party hadn’t been given a big “enough piece of the pie in the deal.” Instead, the deal was more “tilted” toward the player and his mother.
“I was thinking last night on this Smart thing,” Wade said. “I’ll be honest with you, I’m [expletive] tired of dealing with the thing. Like I’m just [expletive] sick of dealing with the [expletive]. Like, this should not be that [expletive] complicated.”
The “Smart thing” is believed to be in reference to Javonte Smart, a top-50 recruit out of Baton Rouge.
“It was a [expletive] hell of a [expletive] offer,” Wade says to Dawkins. “Hell of an offer. Especially for a kid who is going to be a two- or three-year kid.”
The tape does not offer any specifics of the “offer.”
However, ESPN reported that, in a different call with Dawkins, Wade joked that the player would be compensated more than the “rookie minimum.”
Funny how the damming evidence does not have direct quotes & is at this point unproven
Posted on 3/15/19 at 8:45 am to Madking
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No sane person can confirm or deny anything on tapes we haven’t heard and have no context on.
Except for the person that was caught on tape. He could say,"Its all bullshite and taken out of context and I did nothing wrong and violated no NCAA rule." We haven't heard that yet from WW.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 8:47 am to Tigers eyes
quote:. THE NCAA IS NOT A COURT OF LAW.
It's called proof/evidence. And going by the tapes only there is none. What would you charge him with if he was a defendant and you a prosecutor?
Posted on 3/15/19 at 9:06 am to NC_Tigah
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You haven't followed the Wade issue obviously.
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But just so we are clear, everything being discussed in that case seems to be going public.
Doesn’t have to
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Had you followed any of it, you'd know that.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 9:16 am to LSUfanaddict
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No need to show money exchanged hands. An offer is an NCAA violation.
Then kids are self-incriminating themselves and the schools that offered on 247sports all the time if "offer" is an NCAA violation. Man, get real. The word "offer" is used way too much for that to be the bar.
"Payments and inducements" is an NCAA violation. That's not on the wiretaps released so far.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 9:21 am to SammyTiger
Except the fricking retard didn't use coded words.
Funded, rookie minimum, strong-arse offer, tilted towards the family (NO SCHOLARSHIP IS EVER TILTED TOWARDS A FAMILY)... all while talking to a guy that is in prison for taking money from coaches or shoe execs already.
The frick has got to go. If this were Saban, Smart, Calipari, Coach K, you guys would be buying "Fire them" bilboards all over the country. He needs to kick rocks and kick them now.
Funded, rookie minimum, strong-arse offer, tilted towards the family (NO SCHOLARSHIP IS EVER TILTED TOWARDS A FAMILY)... all while talking to a guy that is in prison for taking money from coaches or shoe execs already.
The frick has got to go. If this were Saban, Smart, Calipari, Coach K, you guys would be buying "Fire them" bilboards all over the country. He needs to kick rocks and kick them now.
This post was edited on 3/15/19 at 9:25 am
Posted on 3/15/19 at 11:56 am to Havoc
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involves the subject of a federal investigation, you fricking goddamn idiot.
He wouldn't be under oath and if hes nothing to hide, its a non factor...you fricking moron
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